KillJoy Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 At least my Parent's house is paid for! I will at least have somewhere to sleep when the shit gets bad!!! KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 At least my Parent's house is paid for! I will at least have somewhere to sleep when the shit gets bad!!! KillJoy Bring guns.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/12/news/companies/auto_future/index.htm?postversion=2008121209 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/11/murky-future-for-auto-res_n_150148.html A $14 billion emergency bailout for U.S. automakers collapsed in the Senate Thursday night after the United Auto Workers refused to accede to Republican demands for swift wage cuts. Apparently it would be worse to have wages cut then to not have a job at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Maybe its time to move out of the country? We should all move hah. CR Euro edition.. with the better cars Move to Mexico...All Mexicans are here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/11/murky-future-for-auto-res_n_150148.html Apparently it would be worse to have wages cut then to not have a job at all. Sad... isn't it. UAW = :gtfo: KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragknee66 Posted December 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Thank you oil prices for people not buying cars. Thank you oil prices for the HUGE raise in our food prices. F you very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 All parties are sniffing each other out trying to see who is holding the trump cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Move to Mexico...All Mexicans are here. Actually it's not good at all down there right now. My fiancee's old employer has bene moving a lot of stuff down there and people from her building would make frequent trips. Right now the gang wars are really bad. A couple American workers have been beheaded and they send the heads to their employer. Some of my fiancee's co-workers were caught in crossfire and had to get on the ground under a car, and a few weeks ago one of the restaurants they frequest was fire-bombed. I'm almost glad she got laid off after hearing all that. I wouldn't be able to sleep if she had to go down there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/11/murky-future-for-auto-res_n_150148.html Apparently it would be worse to have wages cut then to not have a job at all. No, they present 2 options: 1. Pay us our current wages. 2. Pay us un-employment & welfare for the next 50 years. Either way they get paid....and hell, lets throw a riot in there for good measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 The UAW is still as corrupt as the day it was created. It needs to be removed. KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 So what kind of loss hourly are we talking here. I dont know the numbers. What would be the difference between a GM employee and a Toyota/honda of comparable salary. I am pretty sure Honda Marysville makes decent money. What are the realistic numbers cause i honestly dont know what type of cut they are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 So what kind of loss hourly are we talking here. I dont know the numbers. What would be the difference between a GM employee and a Toyota/honda of comparable salary. I am pretty sure Honda Marysville makes decent money. What are the realistic numbers cause i honestly dont know what type of cut they are talking about. Older Article KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Here is a new article with a little different figures... ------ (AP) Hourly wages for United Auto Workers laborers at General Motors Corp. factories actually are almost equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour. The difference is in benefits, with the unionized factories having far higher costs. GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers. The UAW has not been able to organize workers at a Toyota plant in this country; it does represent workers at one joint GM-Toyota plant in Fremont, Calif. ------ KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 All parties are sniffing each other out trying to see who is holding the trump cards. I think that might be the truth in this car crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers. That is dam close to a 50% Increase for the UAW.... KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 So essentially if GM said hey guess what figure your own health insurance out and kept paying them there current salary. They could save there own company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryBMW Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 So essentially if GM said hey guess what figure your own health insurance out and kept paying them there current salary. They could save there own company. Correct. Which has been the issue for YEARS. Fuck unions. -Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 So essentially if GM said hey guess what figure your own health insurance out and kept paying them there current salary. They could save there own company. Possibly. Or..... Pay Cuts in General (ESPECIALLY the highers up... they are the ones responsible for the fuck up anyways) OR... Cut Pensions OR.... Cut Benefits / Pensions to those who are already retired... It's GOT to be better than cutting off the hand that feeds you. KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli1647545497 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 I have no sympathy for people who build cars or sell cars. Let em all burn. The economy won't go into depression. We'll survive. Ford will be fine regardless. Car mechanics will be fine. And all those UAW workers can find other jobs they're qualified for. Ditch digger comes to mind... For the record I was also against the Financial Industry bailout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 I have no sympathy for people who build cars or sell cars. Let em all burn. The economy won't go into depression. We'll survive. Ford will be fine regardless. Car mechanics will be fine. And all those UAW workers can find other jobs they're qualified for. Ditch digger comes to mind... For the record I was also against the Financial Industry bailout. I <3 Mowgli. The economy goes up and down. I'm of the opinion that no amount of money we throw at it is going to save it. We're just going to have to suck it up, grab our ankles, and go along for the ride. It'll eventually get better, but for now, things might not be as 'American Dream' as you'd like. Such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1647545489 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 I <3 Mowgli. The economy goes up and down. I'm of the opinion that no amount of money we throw at it is going to save it. We're just going to have to suck it up, grab our ankles, and go along for the ride. It'll eventually get better, but for now, things might not be as 'American Dream' as you'd like. Such is life. That was always my attitude, but now my livelihood depends on Fords survival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 That was always my attitude, but now my livelihood depends on Fords survival. I feel for all the people (save for UAW folks) directly connected to these companys. I really do. But I don't think there's much we're going to be able to do besides: ride it out, cope as best we can, restructure, and move on to eventual better times. It's inevitable. It's gonna be shitty for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 A simple reality, WE DON'T NEED 3. There isn't enough demand, paying them to stay open means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 If they go Under, I wonder what this will do to the Value of all those Mustangs, F-bodys, Corvettes, Vipers, GTOs and such? Old and New. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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