HAOLE Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 No matter if you think that vaccination is a good thing or not, this is scary stuff right here. The manufactures admit they are going to use you as the guinea pig. The last time we had a swine flu outbreak in the 1970's the vaccine was rushed and dozens of people lost their lives. Novartis starts testing swine flu vaccine By MARIA CHENG, Associated Press Writer Maria Cheng, Associated Press Writer 56 mins ago LONDON – Swiss drugmaker Novartis has begun injecting its swine flu vaccine into people in the company's first human tests, a spokesman said Wednesday. The vaccine is being tested in a yearlong trial of 6,000 people of all ages in Britain, Germany and the United States, Novartis spokesman Eric Althoff told The Associated Press, adding that the vaccine will likely be on the market before the trial finishes. A person in Britain became the first to get the swine flu vaccine about 10 days ago, he said. Sanofi-Pasteur, which makes about 40 percent of the world's flu vaccines, expects to start testing its swine flu vaccine within days in the U.S. and Europe, according to spokesman Benoit Rungeard. Sanofi-Pasteur is a unit of Paris-based Sanofi-Aventis SA. Since swine flu was declared to be a pandemic, or global outbreak, by the World Health Organization in June, pharmaceuticals have been racing to get their vaccines ready. Last month, Australian drugmaker CSL became the first vaccine maker to start testing its vaccine in humans in Australia. "We initiated clinical trials about 10 days ago," Althoff said. Half of Novartis' vaccines being tested are grown in chicken eggs, the traditional way of making flu vaccines, while the other half use a new cell-based technology. The trial will test the vaccine's safety and whether one or two shots are necessary. "Our assumption is that two doses will be required," Althoff said. The vaccines being tested in Europe have an adjuvant, an ingredient used to boost the body's immune response. In the U.S., Althoff said Novartis will be testing both vaccines with and without adjuvants. WHO recommends that countries use vaccines with adjuvants, to stretch the global supply of swine flu vaccine. Flu vaccines in Europe often contain adjuvants. However there are no licensed flu vaccines with adjuvants in the United States. Once Novartis AG has preliminary data from the trial, they will submit that to drug regulators including the European Medicines Agency. European and U.S. regulators have a fast-track process for approving swine flu vaccine, to ensure it is available before the flu season starts in the fall, when swine flu is expected to surge. The European Medicines Agency has previously said swine flu vaccines based on a pre-approved bird flu vaccine could be licensed within five days, even without extensive testing in humans. Last month, WHO reported that the swine flu viruses being used to make the vaccine were not growing enough of a key ingredient, and said they were only producing half as much "yield" as regular flu viruses. The agency asked its laboratory network to produce a new set of viruses for vaccine makers to use. Althoff confirmed that Novartis is only getting about 30 to 50 percent of the usual yield it gets from flu viruses to make vaccines. Novartis made its vaccines with WHO's original set of flu viruses, and hasn't yet started working with the new viruses. The low virus yield could mean delays in when countries get their vaccine orders filled. More than 35 countries have placed orders with Novartis for swine flu, or H1N1 vaccine, including France, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. The U.S. has ordered $979 million worth of bulk vaccine and Novartis' adjuvant. Althoff said the company expected to start shipping vaccine in the last quarter of 2009 and will continue the deliveries next year. GlaxoSmithKline PLC, which has orders for 291 million doses of vaccine from countries including Britain, has not yet started testing its vaccine in humans. The U.S. has also ordered $250 million worth of vaccine ingredients from Glaxo. Since swine flu emerged in April, it has killed at least 1,154 people worldwide and is estimated to have infected millions. In India on Wednesday, hundreds of anxious people crowded a hospital waiting to be tested for swine flu. Panic spread in the city of Pune and fights broke out at the city's top hospital after authorities reported the country's first swine flu fatality two days ago. In other efforts to fight swine flu, a Saudi health ministry official said Wednesday that authorities will require religious pilgrims to have a medical certificate showing they don't suffer from chronic diseases. Khaled al-Merghalani also said children and the elderly will be banned from the annual hajj pilgrimage. WHO officials have said swine flu appears to be striking younger people particularly hard, with the median age from 12 to 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosted98gst Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Look I have no medical background or know shit about this stuff, but I was just tested positive for FLU-A 2 weeks ago and was out of work. I work in a prison so everyone is close, I come back to work and they have over 14 people locked up for "flu" sysptoms, Long story short the nurse and doctor are stupid in my opinion , she thinks alot of the guys are just making it up or somthing, we just had a guy admited to a hospital and they said he would have to stay in ICU for 10 days. Im starting to worry about how bad the flu season will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Mind control drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Im starting to worry about how bad the flu season will be. You aren't the only one. The CDC and our department of health is, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I think I am going to make a little window at our car lot like they have in gas stations if someone wants something they talk thru the speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Look I have no medical background or know shit about this stuff, but I was just tested positive for FLU-A 2 weeks ago and was out of work. I work in a prison so everyone is close, I come back to work and they have over 14 people locked up for "flu" sysptoms, Long story short the nurse and doctor are stupid in my opinion , she thinks alot of the guys are just making it up or somthing, we just had a guy admited to a hospital and they said he would have to stay in ICU for 10 days. Im starting to worry about how bad the flu season will be. It's mutating, so it'll be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 The sooner everyone dies, the sooner I get your stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 "Phalanx vaccine" brought into the real world. It's probably bullshit, expensive bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 As much as I hate to say it, we (humans) are about due for a catastrophic pandemic. I'm suprised it hasn't happened sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 As much as I hate to say it, we (humans) are about due for a catastrophic pandemic. I'm suprised it hasn't happened sooner. Modern medicine is trying to put it off. It doesn't matter, the planet knows when its limits are being stretched, and always finds a way to remove us parasites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Modern medicine is trying to put it off. It doesn't matter, the planet knows when its limits are being stretched, and always finds a way to remove us parasites. Actually, more people are killed every year from misc illnesses than were killed in the year of the last pandemic. The only reason that those millions aren't a big deal is because the breeding is making up for it. It's harder to notice, too, because of the way that illnesses are reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 People make stuff like this so that they can make even more money curing it. Think of how many different flus have been causing issues around the world. I'm done thinking its an accident or virus evolution /conspiracy theorist I'm worried about my kids since they have to go to school and be around a bunch of other kids all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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