smokinHawk1647545499 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 *Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms. thats so the goverman can tax you on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 So the rich are not getting richer, the poor won for a change, and I'm going to have to schedule my appointments 7 weeks out because all the doctors will be overrun with people that suddenly got health care. You just dont get it do you..... the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting handouts. The middle class is getting screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 thats so the goverman can tax you on it. That is why this is the original title to the bill: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes. The bill is not about health care, it is a taxation bill. Stupid people think it is a health care bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 This is an all time Federal power grab. I dont know why dems feel so entitled to what is not theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin5s Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 You just dont get it do you..... the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting handouts. The middle class is getting screwed. I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 *Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.* Not cool. That is half the reason I work for a lower salary. REVOLUTION!!!111!!!!!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 You just dont get it do you..... the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting handouts. The middle class is getting screwed. So nothing has changed /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 *Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.* Not cool. That is half the reason I work for a lower salary. REVOLUTION!!!111!!!!!1 And how long do you think it will take until you are taxed on that as straight income? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 And how long do you think it will take until you are taxed on that as straight income? I wasnt being sarcastic. I really believe that something major needs to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I wasnt being sarcastic. I really believe that something major needs to happen. I know you were not being sarcastic. November will be very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lee Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I never did understand the idea of insurance... health or otherwise. It always reminds me of sitting at a Blackjack table in Vegas, and getting asked by the dealer if I want insurance. It works the same way out in the real world right? Although monthly insurance payments on just about anything (health care, car, house, etc) may seem relatively cheap given the item that you're covering, how often do you use said insurance? I guarantee it isn't nearly enough to equal what you're putting into it. That being said, why not completely do away with all types of insurance? Wouldn't this force those people who don't value their money, to actually put some of it away in savings "just in case?" Just about every kid is taught about the principles behind having a "piggy bank." Let's put those same principles to use now that we're grown adults... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I never did understand the idea of insurance... health or otherwise. It always reminds me of sitting at a Blackjack table in Vegas, and getting asked by the dealer if I want insurance. It works the same way out in the real world right? Although monthly insurance payments on just about anything (health care, car, house, etc) may seem relatively cheap given the item that you're covering, how often do you use said insurance? I guarantee it isn't nearly enough to equal what you're putting into it. That being said, why not completely do away with all types of insurance? Wouldn't this force those people who don't value their money, to actually put some of it away in savings "just in case?" Just about every kid is taught about the principles behind having a "piggy bank." Let's put those same principles to use now that we're grown adults... 1 surgury and insurance pays for itself. Which means we need to cut the cost of surguries. Americans feel entitled to too much, not to mention so many rape the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paktinat Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 no comment, but I thought this was funny This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration. At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory. I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to send via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school. After work, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to a house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department. I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I realize that my question is likely fickle, but I guess everyone wants to think of how they're affected. I have a pretty good insurance plan thru work, and my wife has what I would consider a great insurance plan. She has a personal deductable each year and then 100% coverage except for copays. Is her plan going to be considered one of the "Cadillac plans" that will no longer be offered by health insurers? I would be upset if we could no longer have that option, especially as we're planning on trying to raise a family and that coverage would be what I want for my wife and children. That plan is no good, you can do better with a high deductible HSA plan. Why piss away lots of $ to an INS company every year? Pay into an HSA and pay yourself tax free. My last cadilac plan was 600+ a month. Fuck that. PM me, I can explain HSAs better on the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lee Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 1 surgury and insurance pays for itself. Which means we need to cut the cost of surguries. Americans feel entitled to too much, not to mention so many rape the system. That's the second effect of doing away with insurance entirely. If people are expected to pay for things out of pocket (or piggy bank), then they will most definitely shop around for the best deal. Just like they do in every other aspect of spending money when it comes to essentials. This in turn causes those health care providers to become more competitive in their rates... driving down prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Something to think about 38 states have claimed that they are going to sue the fed over this. The Constitution allows the states to form a Constitutional Convention if 2/3rds of the states agree to it. They legislate against what the Congress has done, and if 3/4s of the states vote for it, its passed into law. I don't understand why the states don't do this and give a big "fuck you" to the feds. Its claimed that Obamacare will bankrupt many of the states that aren't already bankrupt within 4 years, so even the left leaning states (that are already bankrupt) have a vested reason in shutting this down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 http://propertyistheft.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/v-vendetta-wallpapers1.jpg You should all be receiving your masks soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Something to think about 38 states have claimed that they are going to sue the fed over this. http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/130164/came.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 That plan is no good, you can do better with a high deductible HSA plan. Why piss away lots of $ to an INS company every year? Pay into an HSA and pay yourself tax free. My last cadilac plan was 600+ a month. Fuck that. PM me, I can explain HSAs better on the phone. We agree!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 That plan is no good, you can do better with a high deductible HSA plan. Why piss away lots of $ to an INS company every year? Pay into an HSA and pay yourself tax free. My last cadilac plan was 600+ a month. Fuck that. PM me, I can explain HSAs better on the phone. I was still wondering exactly what a Cadillac plan was so I looked it up and found this. http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2010/March/18/Cadillac-Tax-Explainer-Update.aspx The upside is that since she works for a big evil corporation her coverage is great at a much lesser price than would fall into those categories. I am curious though if they base those cutoffs at the "cost" of the consumer's rates, or do they include the amount that the employers are paying as well? How would you know? I will say that my wife's current insurance (for her as an individual) is only about $120 a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I will say that my wife's current insurance (for her as an individual) is only about $120 a month. I can't answer your question, but I pay $168 a month for Family, I could have 20 kids and pay no more for my premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 We agree!!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 That plan is no good, you can do better with a high deductible HSA plan. Why piss away lots of $ to an INS company every year? Pay into an HSA and pay yourself tax free. My last cadilac plan was 600+ a month. Fuck that. PM me, I can explain HSAs better on the phone. In my case where my wife will have surgery every 2 years it won't work out. If I would of picked the HSA account I would have to pay a lot more on medical bills. It doesn't work in every case :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 http://propertyistheft.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/v-vendetta-wallpapers1.jpg You should all be receiving your masks soon... If I dont receive my mask I am going to get 37 other people and boycott you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 In my case where my wife will have surgery every 2 years it won't work out. If I would of picked the HSA account I would have to pay a lot more on medical bills. It doesn't work in every case :mad: What do you pay for Ins, or is that too much info to ask? You have a Co-pay 80/20 plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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