dover Posted December 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Thanks guys for all the help very helpful information. I think I am going to take the AFAST and go WOCS and try and fly. I think it will b a job that I not only enjoy while I'm serving (for how ever long that may be) but also in the civilian sector. I really do appreciate all the helpful information though. Thanks allot guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got-Boost? Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Personally, if I were you, I would stay enlisted, get your degree, and get an officer slot. Fuck WOCs or whatever, go make some real money and retire when you are 40, pulling O-5 or O-6 retirement pay til you die. Plus there have to be some sick enlisted to officer programs in the army. I hear they are killing for officers right now. Most people make captain and get the hell out. Idk why. That's because you go through a lot of SHIT and people get sick of it. If you plan on having a family it's rough when you have quick rotations deployed and gone a LOT.... Had a blast when I was single, got married found a better gig....got out and loving life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentStateTsi Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Junior warrents are treated just like enlisted. Until you track IP, MTP, or saftey you will be treated like shit. I absolutly love being a blackhawk crew chief but I feel bad for any pilot under W3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 Not worried at all about being treated like shit I come from 11B background with much of time served as a junior enlisted, I finally got promoted this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93fox Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Warrent officer, they make bank, plus whats not to love and brag about being a helo pilot??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindall2006 Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 My name is Mr. Tindall, and I am a wo1 waiting to start flight school. I have been through wocs if you are e-5 or above it is 4 weeks. You won't fail, it is taking a few test and getting smoked for a few hours on the first week. Wocs is gravy. Drill Sergeant school was way better! Your a combatatives instructor, I am sure you will be fine! It will take you on average 18 to 24 months to complete flight school. Then you will still receive more training to achieve Pilot in command status. Being a WO is sweet, and the pay raise is nice! Go for it man! If you need any help lmk as I am at good old Ft Rucker now! I also have a really good study book for the AFAST. I scored a 147! Any other questions... ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 I say this an O3 (line officer), go Warrant. There may be less pay, but the benefit doing whateverthehellyouwant and havingverlittlepeopletokeephappy - makes life so much better. Make sure you can obtain a TS clearance - you won't go very far doing intel work (anywhere) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 My name is Mr. Tindall, and I am a wo1 waiting to start flight school. I have been through wocs if you are e-5 or above it is 4 weeks. You won't fail, it is taking a few test and getting smoked for a few hours on the first week. Wocs is gravy. Drill Sergeant school was way better! Your a combatatives instructor, I am sure you will be fine! It will take you on average 18 to 24 months to complete flight school. Then you will still receive more training to achieve Pilot in command status. Being a WO is sweet, and the pay raise is nice! Go for it man! If you need any help lmk as I am at good old Ft Rucker now! I also have a really good study book for the AFAST. I scored a 147! Any other questions... ask. Small world! Thanks for the information. I am about to do my pre-physical here and send it down to Rucker. Once that is approved I can go forward with WOCS. What study guide did you use? I picked up from Barnes and Noble "Baron's Military Flight Aptitude Tests Study Guide" It has allot of information but it also is for the three different flight tests. I really want to score high on the AFAST to set myself out from others applying for the same position. As far as physically WOCS is of no concern to me, haha. Any thing you think I should know or advice? Appreciated it Mr. Tindall. Oh also I have been trying to research what is the promotion rate for a WO1 in Aviation? I heard it is slower then the normal WO rate for technicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentStateTsi Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Most of our new guys here in 3cab make w2 shortly after coming to a flight company. Unfortunatly we have a very strict SP and we only have 3 or 4 w2's that are PC qualified. Being prior enlisted you will have no problem making rank quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 There is a guy on the other CR that flies helicopters for a living. Pretty sure he works for a news company or the city, but I know that he makes good $$$ doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindall2006 Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Last I checked you make cw2 automatically after two years. Thought there are rumors being thrown around that you won't get it until after you finish flight school. The last I heard I think the promotion to cw3 for flight was around 60 percent? I think cw4 was around 40? Not too sure on those numbers. I also sent you a PM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 No more ranger school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 No more ranger school? I am going to hold off for the time being, if I dont get picked up for WOCS my first look I will probably go. Ranger tab does nothing for me being a pilot. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 I am going to hold off for the time being, if I dont get picked up for WOCS my first look I will probably go. Ranger tab does nothing for me being a pilot. We will see. Get WLC done as soon as you can, it makes things go so much smoother. Might send a message to Joe (Mojoe) as he could be a great resource if you haven't been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 So far Tindall hit the nail on the head he basically is doing exactly what I am going to be doing and is just a few steps ahead. I'll hit up Joe for some more insight though, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli1647545497 Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Not saying anything against Rangers, I know quite a few as close personal friends and am a co-partner in a tactical training company with a couple others, but I've found that while they excel in the military, quite a few seem to have a hard time with their careers/lives once they get out. Dunno what it is, just seems to be something. Stay flight, it'll serve you well in civilian life - even if you don't go into civil aviation. I flew in the Navy and don't fly now but the experience has still helped me immensely in my career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lee Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Explosive Ordnance Disposal You won't regret it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Explosive Ordnance Disposal You won't regret it... I am thinking of post military careers and being a bomb tech doesn t sound appealing to me. To each there own. I know they are hurting so bad for them in the Army there is a $50k bonus for NCO's willing to reclass and sign 48 months with EOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindall2006 Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 There are two people in the army, those that fly, and those that wanna fly! There are two types of aviators in army aviation too, those that wish they could fly, and warrant officer! Your going the right way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Explosive Ordnance Disposal You won't regret it... I think one would have to live a life with no regrets to willingly play with old howitzer rounds on a day-to-day basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Pilot Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 I'd go with the Helo position. The great thing about the rotor pilot training is that when you're done you can jump to fixed wing very easily. Like was said earlier, there are a fair amount of helo jobs to be had in the civilian world, and 80% of those jobs go to military guys because civilian helo training is really expensive. The fixed wing pilot market is down right now but it will pick up in the next few years. You'll be in prime position for either fixed/rotor when you want out. I can't say it's the best career for family life, but it sure beats the hell out of sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindall2006 Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 A good number of rotary wing guys are those that spend 50 to 100k for school, and can't find a job because they don't have the hours! Get a few deployments and you will be marketable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got-Boost? Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 I am thinking of post military careers and being a bomb tech doesnt sound appealing to me. To each there own. I know they are hurting so bad for them in the Army there is a $50k bonus for NCO's willing to reclass and sign 48 months with EOD. There is a reason for that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Exactly why I am not going EOD anytime soon. Aviation is for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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