2011SVT Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Lower level rec room. SonyKDL55HX750 55" LED LCD - 1080p - HDTV - Back lightingDenon AVR-2112ci A/V receiver - 90 watts x7Sony BDPS780 3D Blu Ray disc player - up-scalingParadigm Atom Monitor Series 7 speakers (front bookcases)Paradigm Monitor Center Speaker 1 Series 7Paradigm AMS-100R v.4 in ceiling rear channel speakersParadigm PDR-100 sub-wooferTributaries HDMI cabling Skool me oh mighty masters of light and sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL_Josh Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Should be OK for a basic setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Seems like a good setup, but I have a few questions to make sure you are getting what you like Have you actually listened to the speakers? What kind of speakers people like can be highly opinionated and what I like isn't necessarily going to be what you like. What size room? Dimensions? That setup will probably be good in most rooms unless you are trying to get reference/theater level sound. The good thing is, you can upgrade the mains and sub later if you want it to be louder. Speaking of the size of the mains. I would like them to go a little lower, since they only go down to 86hz. The general rule is to try to cut-off your mains no higher than 80hz. Everything that's cutoff from the mains will go to the sub, and above 80hz you can start to localize/pinpoint the sound source. Having said that, I have towers that don't go super low and my cutoffs are set at 100hz and I don't notice it. Receiver should (probably) be good for what you want to do, I really like that price point and it's got most of the options I like to see. Something to keep in mind is that new receivers will be released within the next few months that will be 'better'. But since this receiver is near the end of it's cycle it should be less expensive now, and when the new one is released it will be closer to the MSRP. A nice comparison in case you want to cross shop anymore. http://www.audioholics.com/buying-guides/how-to-shop/2011-600-a-v-receiver-comparison-guide Dependent on the size of the room, I would like to see a bigger sub too. But that one should be fine unless you have a huge room and/or want to listen at reference levels. What's the price of the sub if you don't mind me asking? Why not the Monitor Sub8/10/12 that paradigm suggest to pair with your front stage? The only reason I ask, is that unless you are getting a 5.1 package deal, you can probably get more bang for you buck from one of the online sub shops. Again, having said that, I have about the same size sub and it does fine. Granted, my living room is smaller at only about 10x14x8 and I'm in a townhouse so I can't really crank it up. The only reason I went with the sub was, like I mentioned earlier, it was in a package deal with a 5.1 setup so it was pretty much 'free'. http://www.hsuresearch.com/ http://svsound.com/ http://emotiva.com/ I really like the specs on the Emotiva subs for the money. A post listing budget (sub $300 subs) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1364182 Why the in ceilings? I'm not a big fan as they will always be a compromise. I can't really speak to the TV much as I haven't looked at them lately. AFAIK Sony makes some very nice TV's so it should be good. I got a Samsung a few years ago, but if I were going to look now I would definitely check out some of the nicer Vizio's. From everything I'm reading they offer an excellent picture for a good price. Cables... if I were worried about price I'm going Monoprice. But I always spend a few extra bucks and go with http://www.bluejeanscable.com/ They also have another division, a little more expensive, http://www.tartancable.com/ To say that I really like this company is an understatement. They are a (relatively) small US based company which uses (some, where reasonable) US sourced components, in a field where everyone else is big and selling 100% Chinese made goods. They make very good products, and in spite of that and being based in they US with US sourced components are very reasonable priced. They also told Monster Cable to kindly Fuck Off when Monster tried to sue them, like they do every other company in existence where they think they can get away with it. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm They will always get my money and suggestion to others. That setup should make you very happy, just some food for though. Maybe it's just me, but I have a tendency to over analyze my purchase so I make sure I'm getting what I want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Cables... if I were worried about price I'm going Monoprice. But I always spend a few extra bucks and go with http://www.bluejeanscable.com/ They also have another division, a little more expensive, http://www.tartancable.com/ To say that I really like this company is an understatement. They are a (relatively) small US based company which uses (some, where reasonable) US sourced components, in a field where everyone else is big and selling 100% Chinese made goods. They make very good products, and in spite of that and being based in they US with US sourced components are very reasonable priced. They also told Monster Cable to kindly Fuck Off when Monster tried to sue them, like they do every other company in existence where they think they can get away with it. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm They will always get my money and suggestion to others. That setup should make you very happy, just some food for though. Maybe it's just me, but I have a tendency to over analyze my purchase so I make sure I'm getting what I want. Great links and great prices. Thanks for the links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Great links and great prices. Thanks for the links I also really like that you can order just about any length so your not stuck with 3ft, 6ft or 9/10ft and usually have a bunch of extra cable to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rl Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 I have the same TV in my basement, a full paradigm setup, but I have Phantom v.3 towers in the front, A CC-270 center, and I forget what series rear satelites with a PDR-12 subwoofer. I love it, the only thing I would change with yours would be to move the fronts to the rear and get decent Floor standing paradigms with more range. Upstairs I have a pair of PDR-10's and one isnt enough but both turned down is perfect. Or if I feel like making my house into a club I can turn them up and knock stuff off the walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011SVT Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Should be OK for a basic setup Anything you would think about 'upgrading'? Hate to spend money to get the last x% unless it really makes a noticeable difference but I also hate to under buy and end up with something that could have been so much more for just a few more bucks.... Seems like a good setup, but I have a few questions to make sure you are getting what you like Have you actually listened to the speakers? What kind of speakers people like can be highly opinionated and what I like isn't necessarily going to be what you like. No. I am not particularly picky there are long as the speakers have got good range, volume, and don't get fuzzy/muddy when you turn them up as bit. Since I had never dealt with these before I wanted to make sure they were decent quality. What size room? Dimensions? That setup will probably be good in most rooms unless you are trying to get reference/theater level sound. The good thing is, you can upgrade the mains and sub later if you want it to be louder. The room overall is fairly large (rectangular) but the theater end is about 16' wide and we'll sit 11 - 14' back from the television (the room probably extends another good 20' beyond that. Speaking of the size of the mains. I would like them to go a little lower, since they only go down to 86hz. The general rule is to try to cut-off your mains no higher than 80hz. Everything that's cutoff from the mains will go to the sub, and above 80hz you can start to localize/pinpoint the sound source. Having said that, I have towers that don't go super low and my cutoffs are set at 100hz and I don't notice it. We'll ask about it. Especially if we decide to go a bit bigger as rl suggests below. Receiver should (probably) be good for what you want to do, I really like that price point and it's got most of the options I like to see. Something to keep in mind is that new receivers will be released within the next few months that will be 'better'. But since this receiver is near the end of it's cycle it should be less expensive now, and when the new one is released it will be closer to the MSRP. A nice comparison in case you want to cross shop anymore. http://www.audioholics.com/buying-guides/how-to-shop/2011-600-a-v-receiver-comparison-guide We'll take a look there too. Gracias. Dependent on the size of the room, I would like to see a bigger sub too. But that one should be fine unless you have a huge room and/or want to listen at reference levels. What's the price of the sub if you don't mind me asking? Why not the Monitor Sub8/10/12 that paradigm suggest to pair with your front stage? The only reason I ask, is that unless you are getting a 5.1 package deal, you can probably get more bang for you buck from one of the online sub shops. Again, having said that, I have about the same size sub and it does fine. Granted, my living room is smaller at only about 10x14x8 and I'm in a townhouse so I can't really crank it up. The only reason I went with the sub was, like I mentioned earlier, it was in a package deal with a 5.1 setup so it was pretty much 'free'. http://www.hsuresearch.com/ http://svsound.com/ http://emotiva.com/ I really like the specs on the Emotiva subs for the money. A post listing budget (sub $300 subs) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1364182 Sub was quoted at $369. Is there a 'sizing guide' for subs? Why the in ceilings? I'm not a big fan as they will always be a compromise. Keep them out of the way and since we are essentially splitting the room it allows us to get them where we wanted them behind the couch. I can't really speak to the TV much as I haven't looked at them lately. AFAIK Sony makes some very nice TV's so it should be good. I got a Samsung a few years ago, but if I were going to look now I would definitely check out some of the nicer Vizio's. From everything I'm reading they offer an excellent picture for a good price. Yeah, we've been pretty happy with our Sony and Samsung TVs although you can find dogs in each brand. Been considering the 55HX929 but at a $1,400 price difference and as fast as things change for TVs I am not sure that's worth it. Cables... if I were worried about price I'm going Monoprice. But I always spend a few extra bucks and go with http://www.bluejeanscable.com/ They also have another division, a little more expensive, http://www.tartancable.com/ To say that I really like this company is an understatement. They are a (relatively) small US based company which uses (some, where reasonable) US sourced components, in a field where everyone else is big and selling 100% Chinese made goods. They make very good products, and in spite of that and being based in they US with US sourced components are very reasonable priced. They also told Monster Cable to kindly Fuck Off when Monster tried to sue them, like they do every other company in existence where they think they can get away with it. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm They will always get my money and suggestion to others. We'll look into those That setup should make you very happy, just some food for though. Maybe it's just me, but I have a tendency to over analyze my purchase so I make sure I'm getting what I want. Me too. I have the same TV in my basement, a full paradigm setup, but I have Phantom v.3 towers in the front, A CC-270 center, and I forget what series rear satellites with a PDR-12 sub-woofer. I love it, the only thing I would change with yours would be to move the fronts to the rear and get decent Floor standing paradigms with more range. Upstairs I have a pair of PDR-10's and one isn't enough but both turned down is perfect. Or if I feel like making my house into a club I can turn them up and knock stuff off the walls. Good deal. I'll look into pushing the speakers up a notch. Thanks for the tip. Thanks for all the help guys. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 So the room is roughly 16x30x8? That's 3840 cu ft room, which is big! Even though that back protion is not 'part' of the listening space, it is still filled with air that will need to be moved, especially on the sub end. http://www.axiomaudio.com/howtochoosespeakers.html Axiom audio has a fun little tool, where they suggest the speaker size for your room and listening styles. They are calling anything over 2500 cu ft. a large room and will pair some of their biggest speakers and subs with it. Think floor standers with multiple and bigger drivers and subs with 350-500 watts, but of course you can run through it to get a better idea. I would talk with the pros wherever you are shopping and tell them your room size. They should be able to tell you what you need. Keep in mind, I'm not a pro and just dabble in this arena, but I would definitely want you to have some bigger speakers in a room that size, IF they fit within what you are willing/able to spend. On the surrounds, Is there any way you could mount speakers on the side walls or down from the ceiling. If that makes sense with the way your room is laid out, which I obviously don't know the details of. Something like the the Paradigm Dipoles will mount flush on the walls off to the sides of your listening position. http://www.paradigm.com/components/com_mtree/img/listings/o/1230.jpg Or bookshelf, like the ones you suggested for the fronts mounted behind you down from the ceiling. Or off to your sides mounted down from the ceiling or out from the walls. http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX-S-V2uM_hCGqGUjaYNsF3zQInh8nDKbUoibJ6XTjWypJAAjl8_OqSI53 Again, money no object, with that size room and with the available space behind the listening position, I would want to go 7.1. Then you put 2 speakers out to the sides and 2 speakers behind. Again, this is just a conversation and it may be for the sake of conversation, to make sure you are happy with what you are getting. You'll still be happy with the 5.1 setup you suggested if that's what you can or are willing to afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC66Bronco Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 I have all Paradigm Speakers in my set up. Sounds FANTASTIC! Granted mine are older 4 Titan Book shelf speakers 1 PS1000 sub and I forget what the Center chanel is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfocus1647545489 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) +1 for Paradigm. I love mine. I agree on the Atoms being a little light for the midrange, but have a listen to them, they may surprise you. I originally intended to go with Atoms all the way around but after auditioning them I decided to to fill in the midrange a bit (as Jesse suggested above) by going with the Titans, which have a larger driver. For their size the Titans are pretty impressive and that's a great center channel. I also considered dipoles for the rear, but my living room at both places has been a little small to warrant those and made mounting a little tricky. My setup is 4 Paradigm Titans, Paradigm CC-270 Center? (Edit, I had to go check the model) and Martin Logan Abyss Sub. I'm powering it all by a lowly Onkyo receiver and I love it. Someday I may ante up the cash for a proper amp, but so far I've seen no reason to upgrade. Edited May 4, 2012 by twistedfocus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC66Bronco Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 YUP thats what mine is as well CC-270 I could use a better reciever but meh its ok for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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