Aaron Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The brake pad thing was hilarious. Draco, it sounds just as silly to pinpoint a single thing it can do better, you are right. To others, its exactly the same as the BRZ/FRS is being pinpointed as "fun to drive" when being defended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The article says average. I've seen skid pad numbers as high as 0.96 for this car. And keep in mind this is on the stock 215-wide Michelin Primacy HP tires which are low-rolling resistance summer touring tires. Essentially, performance tires for a Prius or economy tires for a Porsche. I believe the STI has a skid pad rating of 0.86 on RE070s. I meant average for all tests, not the avg of their runs, but I digress. I wish they could throw some summer tires on these and see what they really do. I tend to hate any car I can't fit in, and this car I will certainly not fit in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc1647545523 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Yes, it "answers the demands of the enthusiasts," but the answer really isn't good enough. It would have been a great car a decade ago, and it would be a good value at the original price the makers touted. As it is, though, it isn't the Second Coming that it was hyped to be. Maybe when these are common on the road, they'll redeem themselves and the stat worshipers will be shouted down. Or perhaps some aftermarket wizardry will make them desirable to a wider market. Like many, I had a lot of hope for this product, but so far I'm feeling a bit let down. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 http://frscolumbus.eventbrite.com/ Signed up for 11am -12pm. I'll give it a fair shake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The only reason I'm not seriously looking at this car is that it's a completely new design/engine. How many times do you hear never to buy the first model year of anything. See you in 2014, BRZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickey4271647545519 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 http://frscolumbus.eventbrite.com/ Signed up for 11am -12pm. I'll give it a fair shake. :fuuuu: I'm going to be out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The only reason I'm not seriously looking at this car is that it's a completely new design/engine. How many times do you hear never to buy the first model year of anything. See you in 2014, BRZ If the 2013 is the first model year, waiting for the second usually won't be enough. In the VW world, its about every 1.5 years that they make a change, or refresh. Just keep that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airwg2189 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 This is from TCL on vortex, which sums up a lot of fags on this board, pretty well. I agree with that excerpt 100% - and I feel bad for the manufacturers being torn apart over this car. I think it's fantastic for what it is and what it aims for, my only gripe since day 1 has been that it's priced a little high. There's a slew of cars right there at ~$25K that destroy the FR-S/BRZ in every number category imaginable that are arguably just as much of a "driver's car" (I'm partial to the WRX, of course). I'd love to drive a BRZ, but I don't see myself buying one, at least new, ever. Maybe if they brought over a model without HIDs, Navigation, etc., priced closer to $19-20K, I'd be all over it, but not at $25K. Nevertheless, take out the dollar signs, and it's a fantastic vehicle IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The brake pad thing was hilarious. Draco, it sounds just as silly to pinpoint a single thing it can do better, you are right. To others, its exactly the same as the BRZ/FRS is being pinpointed as "fun to drive" when being defended. Well, since it's impossible to put an objective measurement on a subjective aspect, it's tough to prove that. However, here are the facts: It has a lower CG than most any car out there. This is good for just about anything you want to do with the car. The weight is kept inside the wheelbase as much as possible which helps it's responsiveness. The suspension is firm and allows for neutral handling or controlled oversteer. Steering is quick and communicative as has been reported by nearly every review. The wheel and shifter are in positions that are comfortable and intuitive. Throttle response is good and pedal position is excellent for heel-toe. That adds up to an enjoyable drive, IMO. The only thing it lacks is the ability to crush your organs against your spine. Here's a review by someone who is not paid by a magazine and is coming from an Exige S. He has every reason to find this car disappointing. And granted, he does in the areas you'd expect coming from an Exige. But he still enjoyed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Just got an interesting PM on FT86Club. Seems the 2nd guy on the wait list at Byers was called and told they had just got in their first BRZ. They didn't call me and that BRZ should be mine. :fuuuu: Going to call them tomorrow and see what's up. Or I might do the stalker thing and drive through their lot tonight... :masturboy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 If the 2013 is the first model year, waiting for the second usually won't be enough. In the VW world, its about every 1.5 years that they make a change, or refresh. Just keep that in mind. Subaru changed the WRX from the new 2008my to 2009my drastically due to buyer backlash about the handling. So they have acted quickly in the past. But likely there will be updates. I don't mind. By the time I'm ready to trade the BRZ, there will be a better version available. Or maybe even something better from another manufacturer. EDIT: Honet Triple ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Just got an interesting PM on FT86Club. Seems the 2nd guy on the wait list at Byers was called and told they had just got in their first BRZ. They didn't call me and that BRZ should be mine. :fuuuu: Going to call them tomorrow and see what's up. Or I might do the stalker thing and drive through their lot tonight... :masturboy: I have heard dealers doing this to make more money, but you said you have a good relationship with them, so hopefully it was a misunderstanding. Good luck! Subaru changed the WRX from the new 2008my to 2009my drastically due to buyer backlash about the handling. So they have acted quickly in the past. But likely there will be updates. I don't mind. By the time I'm ready to trade the BRZ, there will be a better version available. Or maybe even something better from another manufacturer. EDIT: Honet Triple ftw. I wasn't saying it couldn't happen, just that it might not be enough time. The resale the first 2 years if not longer will be insane on this car, so its a win win for the first adopters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Well, did the stalker routine. No BRZ on the lot, in the showroom, or in Service. So either one of the sales guys took it home (hopefully Chad) or there's a miscommunication somewhere. I'll call them first thing and see what's going on. I have heard dealers doing this to make more money, but you said you have a good relationship with them, so hopefully it was a misunderstanding. Good luck! There's no more money to get from me. I have it in writing that I'm paying MSRP. And if they do try to screw me, there's a lot of local Subaru owners and buyers who will hear about it. But I trust Chad. He's active in the local Subaru community and has made a lot of money because of it, and I don't think he would jeopardize that over one car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Well, did the stalker routine. No BRZ on the lot, in the showroom, or in Service. So either one of the sales guys took it home (hopefully Chad) or there's a miscommunication somewhere. I'll call them first thing and see what's going on. There's no more money to get from me. I have it in writing that I'm paying MSRP. And if they do try to screw me, there's a lot of local Subaru owners and buyers who will hear about it. But I trust Chad. He's active in the local Subaru community and has made a lot of money because of it, and I don't think he would jeopardize that over one car. Suddenly 5k mark up for lack of availability. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Suddenly 5k mark up for lack of availability. LOL Then goodbye BRZ and hello built Miata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Well, did the stalker routine. No BRZ on the lot, in the showroom, or in Service. So either one of the sales guys took it home (hopefully Chad) or there's a miscommunication somewhere. I'll call them first thing and see what's going on. There's no more money to get from me. I have it in writing that I'm paying MSRP. And if they do try to screw me, there's a lot of local Subaru owners and buyers who will hear about it. But I trust Chad. He's active in the local Subaru community and has made a lot of money because of it, and I don't think he would jeopardize that over one car. No way Chad takes home someone's ordered brand new car. My STi was ordered by him and when I got there it still had the white plastic on the paint and was completely covered in frost from sitting on the truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 No way Chad takes home someone's ordered brand new car. My STi was ordered by him and when I got there it still had the white plastic on the paint and was completely covered in frost from sitting on the truck. Makes me wonder where it is then. I'll find out at 9 when they open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 If the 2013 is the first model year, waiting for the second usually won't be enough. In the VW world, its about every 1.5 years that they make a change, or refresh. Just keep that in mind. yeah, but its the middle of '12 and they are delivering '13 cars. '14 should should be good enough for any minor tweaks. i.e. like chevy shipping out sonics without brakes. they fixed that pretty quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 i.e. like chevy shipping out sonics without brakes. they fixed that pretty quickly They're still working on the master cylinders, sway bar links, hatch mechanism, and air bags. :lolguy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Well it seems "Dave" in sales jumped the gun. The dealership got the invoice and MSO but he didn't check to see if it was actually on the lot. So still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Thanks for the link. Downloaded. Gonna read it and the thread later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Wait, just wait a minute here. So, someone in a magazine published something unexpected, possibly to create buzz and generate sales? How long has this been going on for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Wait, just wait a minute here. So, someone in a magazine published something unexpected, possibly to create buzz and generate sales? How long has this been going on for? SHOCK AND AWE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Well it seems "Dave" in sales jumped the gun. The dealership got the invoice and MSO but he didn't check to see if it was actually on the lot. So still waiting. Doh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyc12340 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I stopped by at Byers Import subaru to look at one after test driving the Jaguar, they have SWP one in the lot, looks sharp, tail lights need to be tinted though imo.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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