Cordell Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 its how this country was started, amirite? that kinda talk these days will get you labeled as a domestic terrorist. :dumb: . What do you think the people who started this country by standing up to the British were called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 <---- doesn't matter, have insurance. http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 <---- doesn't matter, have insurance. http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare lol Because Canada does not have nationalized healthcare, oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you guys are missing the point. PRIVATE health insurance companies and PRIVATE health care providers are saying.... http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0YU47QoY5NPG1UQ03hVA6Gckqt_qoEIg5EUeyg4Amom29ypBn5Q you kids wanted jobs, right? health care field is calling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Fuck other people. In the grand scheme of the universe, you and I are insignificant specks of nothing. How about I show you how many fucks I give about you and your terrorist agenda. | | | | | V ZERO GOD BLESS 'MERICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If the insurance premiums go up anymore(which is supposed to happen because of this). I will drop insurance and just pay the damn fine. 95 dollars to 1% of income is way less then my fucking insurance costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I would take exception with Robert's position. I do agree that it is within the powers of Congress to lay and collect taxes. No problem. If they had written the individual mandate to be a credit that you get when you have/buy insurance and you don't when you don't - still constitutional. Congress and the President *not* structuring it that way and specifically arguing that it's not a tax and is, instead, a usage of their power under the Commerce Clause and then Roberts waving his magic wand and converting it into a tax is what I take *great* exception with. Talk about your fucking judicial activism. Roberts and the majority did not rule, they re-interpreted (specifically against the language and intent of the legislature). The individual mandate should have gone down 5-4 (the four being the douche bags that believe the Commerce Clause trumps everything and there is nothing that the federal government cannot force you to do) and returned to Congress with a sticky note that said, "Make this part a tax and you're fine." It doesn't matter what Obama or anyone else argued the point of the law is. The wording on the law allows for a logical interpretation, in accordance with rule of law, that the penalty exists as a tax. Part of the reason behind this is that the penalty is taken through normal taxation. All of that is explained in the decision, check it out. (b) Such an analysis suggests that the shared responsibilitypayment may for constitutional purposes be considered a tax. The payment is not so high that there is really no choice but to buy healthinsurance; the payment is not limited to willful violations, as penalties for unlawful acts often are; and the payment is collected solely by the IRS through the normal means of taxation. Cf. Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co., 259 U. S. 20, 36–37. None of this is to say that payment is not intended to induce the purchase of health insurance. But the mandate need not be read to declare that failing to do so is unlawful. Neither the Affordable Care Act nor any other law attaches negative legal consequences to not buying health insurance, beyond requiring a payment to the IRS. And Congress’s choice of language—stating that individuals “shall” obtain insurance or pay a “penalty”—does not require reading §5000A as punishing unlawful conduct. It may also be read as imposing a tax on those who go without insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If the insurance premiums go up anymore(which is supposed to happen because of this). I will drop insurance and just pay the damn fine. 95 dollars to 1% of income is way less then my fucking insurance costs. And that's why socialist shit never works. Why work harder for the same thing that the government is giving other people when I can just be lazy like them and get what they're getting. I'm not blaming you. Shit, I'd do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVILGTP98 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The major point is that this opens the door to allow the government to say "if you don't do what we want, will will tax the shit out of you" forcing you to comply or suffer crippling penalties, oops I mean "taxes" Land of the free, now tax the brave, quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The major point is that this opens the door to allow the government to say "if you don't do what we want, will will tax the shit out of you" forcing you to comply or suffer crippling penalties, oops I mean "taxes" Land of the free, now tax the brave, quick. Did you read what I posted? Roberts specifically states in the second sentence that one of the qualifiers is that the penalty isn't outrageously high...:dumb: Guess what, the Constitution protects some things that are just wrong. That is why the final check, the vote of the American people, must be used. Want this law repealed? Go ahead and work to get people elected who will repeal it. Don't want "crippling penalties?" Work to get people elected who won't do that shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If the insurance premiums go up anymore(which is supposed to happen because of this). I will drop insurance and just pay the damn fine. 95 dollars to 1% of income is way less then my fucking insurance costs. Actually, this is suppose to prevent premiums from going up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Actually, this is suppose to prevent premiums from going up. Read into the literature a little more. Obama care is supposed to force health insurance to cover more "routine maintenance procedures". Which will in turn cause increases to health insurance. The last 5 years the rates of my company insurance have increased between 500-700 dollars per month every year I mean seriously 8400 dollars per year in increase for 10 employees. Now they want to force people to pay for insurance and you think insurance companies wont take advantage of that. But nothing matters until it really goes into effect which is not until 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare :dumb: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Read into the literature a little more. Obama care is supposed to force health insurance to cover more "routine maintenance procedures". Which will in turn cause increases to health insurance. The last 5 years the rates of my company insurance have increased between 500-700 dollars per month every year I mean seriously 8400 dollars per year in increase for 10 employees. Now they want to force people to pay for insurance and you think insurance companies wont take advantage of that. But nothing matters until it really goes into effect which is not until 2014. Here is how I see it. These routine maintenance procedures is no different that maintaining your car. Why do you change your oil? Why not just wait until the motor blows the fuck up? Because a motor is more expensive, that's why. So all these people without insurance "blowing their motors", just drives prices up for people like you and I who have insurance. I pay for my insurance not because I have money to waste, I pay for insurance because a)I benefit from it if something goes wrong, b)I don't want to be a worthless sponge on society. Long term this is a good thing as long as it's being implemented correctly...at least that's how I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare :dumb: http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1312644019061.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1312644019061.jpg Canada = Universal health care, higher taxes, higher gas prices, stricter environmental regulation, LEGAL same-sex marriage, a puny underfunded military, severe gun control, and no restrictions on abortion whatsoever. Go for it US Conservatives. Don't forget to buy some duty-free Depends on your way, you're going to need them :gabe: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Here is how I see it. These routine maintenance procedures is no different that maintaining your car. Why do you change your oil? Why not just wait until the motor blows the fuck up? Because a motor is more expensive, that's why. So all these people without insurance "blowing their motors", just drives prices up for people like you and I who have insurance. I pay for my insurance not because I have money to waste, I pay for insurance because a)I benefit from it if something goes wrong, b)I don't want to be a worthless sponge on society. Long term this is a good thing as long as it's being implemented correctly...at least that's how I see it. Realistically Obamacare is the furthest thing wrong with our health care system. The insurance companies are prolly happy just knowing that they will have an excuse to raise rates should this stay in effect until 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murse Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 http://nextlol.com/images/342-i-dont-want-to-live-on-this-planet-anymore.png And for those who like to read http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/11-393 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltboostin Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Move to Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murse Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Move to Canada Not sure if serious or trolling?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Not sure if serious or trolling?! ┌─┐ ┴─┴ ಠ_ರೃ Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 <---- doesn't matter, have insurance. http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare lol http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare :dumb: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Oh I didn't even see that :fuuuu: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboGoKart Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 1. Roberts is a turncoat more worried about the appearance of the SCOTUS than upholding the constitution. 2. Obamacare is NOT free. 3. Borrowing money from China doesn't make it free. 4. Our constitutional rights are being dissolved, bit by bit. 5. Socialism/communism doesn't happen overnight, read #4. 6. I can see the future. 7. Wanna know how? 8. I read about Hitler. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm ashamed at the way this country is ran and a good number of people inhabiting it. The land of the free is turning into the land of the free-loaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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