El Karacho1647545492 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2012/nov/21/troopers-arrest-michigan-men-seize-counterfeit-per-ar-1248676/ Cliffs: Drug sniffing dogs lead to seizure of counterfeit perfume/cologne. My question for is for anyone more familiar with drug sniffing dogs than I. I've heard that police dogs are not infallible and are occasionally proven to respond more to indicators given by their handlers than actual drugs. This would appear to be the case in this situation. I understand that "criminal indicators" is very subjective, but saying that a police dog that is trained to sniff for drugs indicated on a bunch of perfume doesn't say a whole lot about the actual credibility of these types of searches. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 So what exactly made this illegal? Couple guys out trying to make a living. We see knockoff stuff for sale all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 why is counterfeit cologne going for $50/bottle? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2012/nov/21/troopers-arrest-michigan-men-seize-counterfeit-per-ar-1248676/ Cliffs: Drug sniffing dogs lead to seizure of counterfeit perfume/cologne. My question for is for anyone more familiar with drug sniffing dogs than I. I've heard that police dogs are not infallible and are occasionally proven to respond more to indicators given by their handlers than actual drugs. This would appear to be the case in this situation. I understand that "criminal indicators" is very subjective, but saying that a police dog that is trained to sniff for drugs indicated on a bunch of perfume doesn't say a whole lot about the actual credibility of these types of searches. Thoughts? Friend of mine and his father train most police dogs in the area. Most likely there was drug residue that the dog indicated on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accel_is_my_drug Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I think the "criminal indicators" were the guys names.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowflake Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Friend of mine and his father train most police dogs in the area. Most likely there was drug residue that the dog indicated on. Yeah thats what they always say. Surely the dogs cant be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff1647545513 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 A couple officers/deputies I've talked to and know said the dogs will act like they've found something when the cop gives certain signals to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 A couple officers/deputies I've talked to and know said the dogs will act like they've found something when the cop gives certain signals to it They don't train the actual alert to work on signals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff1647545513 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Just fake alerts that still allow police to tear your car apart for no reason Edited November 21, 2012 by Duff redundancy department of redundancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Just fake alerts that still allow police to tear your car apart still for no reason :dumb: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 It entirely depends on the quality of training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Thoughts? my thoughts are bad guys got busted, no fucks given. besides, if they are dumb enough to speed while carrying a cargo van full of counterfeit anything they qualify to star in the remake of dumb and dumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'd trust a dog more than a congressman, but dogs still make mistakes. I think they can be good tools, but I only think they should be used to find ADDITIONAL evidence, and not be grounds for a search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 my thoughts are bad guys got busted, no fucks given. besides, if they are dumb enough to speed while carrying a cargo van full of counterfeit anything they qualify to star in the remake of dumb and dumber. I agree with this, I'm just saying this whole scenario reeks of creative interpretation of what is and isn't permitted and what constitutes probable cause for a search. I'll never be caught carrying drugs but if an officer catches me speeding on the way to the airport and mistakes my frustration/arabic-sounding last name for "criminal indicators", I may very well have some cologne in my baggage. It'd be nice to know what I can expect should I ever be in such an unfortunate situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I agree with this, I'm just saying this whole scenario reeks of creative interpretation of what is and isn't permitted and what constitutes probable cause for a search. I understand. In today's climate society provides the bad guys with too many ways out so I tend to side with creativity knowing that the majority of the time it's appropriately applied. I'll never be caught carrying drugs but if an officer catches me speeding on the way to the airport and mistakes my frustration/arabic-sounding last name for "criminal indicators", I may very well have some cologne in my baggage. It'd be nice to know what I can expect should I ever be in such an unfortunate situation.Meh.......if you're real name and appearance are equivalent to those in this article I'm sorry but I'd side with a little creativity. I'll argue all day that profiling is effective and is applied more often than not in appropriate places. Nothing is fool proof, but I support creativity when LEO's are in the midst of properly stoppoing two guys named Ali Sobh, and Abraham N. Ajami. If they are wrong and totally innocent, so be it they will get over butt hurt more than the families of dead people as a result of wrong doings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Had my car searched once, damn dog wanted my beef jerkey. That is a true story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectragod Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Had my car searched once, damn dog wanted my beef jerkey. That is a true story. I keep my trunk loaded with donuts and coffee...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I keep my trunk loaded with donuts and coffee...... Popo always trying to keep us down. :gabe: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectragod Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Popo always trying to keep us down. :gabe: That's why I throw them off the trail with glazed and powered sugar coated donuts, works every time.:lolguy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Meh.......if you're real name and appearance are equivalent to those in this article I'm sorry but I'd side with a little creativity. I'll argue all day that profiling is effective and is applied more often than not in appropriate places. Nothing is fool proof, but I support creativity when LEO's are in the midst of properly stoppoing two guys named Ali Sobh, and Abraham N. Ajami. If they are wrong and totally innocent, so be it they will get over butt hurt more than the families of dead people as a result of wrong doings. I am a tall fat white dude, but my last name is pronounced Kah-sheed. Not spelled that way at all, but combine it with a first name like Alex, and it's not a stretch of the imagination to call me al-Kashid. My experience coming back to the country from the south of France (where they looooove Muslims) was creative but not unpleasant. I was basically interviewed 4 different times about my stay in France and the contents of my baggage in very pleasant conversation by well-spoken security agents, with a metal detector scan that seemed more a courtesy to American sensibilities than an actual method of detecting dangerous objects. Just before boarding my plane, I was informed that I'd been flagged for a random check (foreign passport, strange name, single male flying alone with a somewhat recently purchased ticket and minimal baggage RANDOM LOL) where they basically do the pat-down you'd get if you refuse to do that humiliating x-ray at an American airport. So instead of having fucking EVERYONE humiliate themselves, they just have you talk to various people at different stages of check-in and boarding and then select a few people somewhat at random to show everyone else that yep, you might get searched too, so don't fuck around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Gump 9 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Just fake alerts that still allow police to tear your car apart for no reason This happened to a friend of mine. Had my car searched once, damn dog wanted my beef jerkey. That is a true story. I'm fug if I ever get pull over. Any given time I always have a bag or two of beef jerkey, and I have the good Amish ones too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckingham Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Depends on the dog and handler. We trained both our dogs with accelerant for arson investigations and than cros trained her for narcotics. Dog could smell through a sealed tin can and would respond accordingly ( arson was more of a scratch or dig notification and narcotics was bark) and never rarely chose the wrong can out of 8. Most of the times she was wrong we where trying to confuse her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Props to the cops that busted these criminals. Save some people to trouble of getting scammed buying counterfeit colognes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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