CRed05 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 http://jalopnik.com/how-formula-ones-amazing-new-hybrid-turbo-engine-works-1506450399 Amazing stuff. The MGU-H controls the turbo, instead of having a wastegate, as well as keeping the turbo spinning when lifting off throttle to prevent lag. McLaren is suppose to unveil their car on Friday. I'm so excited for this season I can't even stand it. http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbq9eq6jrt7jpg/original.jpg http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbvjhdcwfpepng/original.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbospec29 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I wonder how efficient one would be detuned to make about 300hp and run on 87. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 :megusta: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I wonder how efficient one would be detuned to make about 300hp and run on 87. I believe F1 cars run on pump gas already...like 94 is the max octane they can run. Can't seem to find that data online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I believe F1 cars run on pump gas already...like 94 is the max octane they can run. Can't seem to find that data online. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/mark-gillies-talks-to-shells-technology-manager-lisa-lilley-about-formula1-racing-fuel 90-97 octane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Interesting, I wonder if any of this technology will make into pedestrian vehicles anytime in the next 5-10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Think what they would do with an E85 tune! It's pretty amazing what these cars are doing this year and I'm interested to see how reliable they prove to be. It looks as if the MGU-H is an electric motor on the turbine/compressor shift that's used as a generator in order to control turbine speed, but it seems that would raise the pre-turbine exhaust pressure too. Jalopnik pointed out that some teams were still using wastegates in addition to the MGU-H, probably for redundancy in case the motor failed, but I wonder if they will start bleeding off excessive exhaust pressure during normal operation. It looks like there are a lot of tuning variables that will play into race strategy this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs.cos Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Interesting, I wonder if any of this technology will make into pedestrian vehicles anytime in the next 5-10 years. Umm, most technology in modern cars comes from F1 Technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Umm, most technology in modern cars comes from F1 Technology. I know. It was more of a question of how long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 This is very different from the original proposal for the new "KERS" system. Originally, the both the power and duration were to be doubled. The big kicker was that the batteries were only able to be charged 50% over the course of one lap. To get a full charge the driver would have to go a lap without using KERS at all. I think that could have made for some very interesting strategies. This system actually does away with the KERS button entirely. The car's ECU controls all of the above, making it one homogenous system rather than an on-demand system. While I was looking forward to seeing how the proposed system would work in a race environment, I can see that this system is more in-line with the spirit of F1's "trickle-down" technology ideal. In today's cars, a LOT of energy is just wasted. Exhaust heat is the largest waste, but slowing a car discards what energy we do manage to get out of the fuel anyways. Creating ways to recapture some of this wasted energy will help increase efficiency and I think manufacturers will start looking more closely into this MGU-H/K technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwohio Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Awesome thread, thanks for posting.... Also, if they run the energy recovery system too long, they will run out of gas....so this season, they will actually have to pick and choose and strategize with their technical director and team engineers to determine how much 'juice' they can use each lap.....I'm wondering if we won't see a few people run out of gas on track this season...... I'm with you, OP, I can't wait for this season..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickey4271647545519 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Possible new sound for F1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Awesome thread, thanks for posting.... Also, if they run the energy recovery system too long, they will run out of gas....so this season, they will actually have to pick and choose and strategize with their technical director and team engineers to determine how much 'juice' they can use each lap As I understand it, that's incorrect. The energy recovery system will function all the time, but if the car were to run full-boost, flat out, maximum HP for more than ~2 laps they won't have enough fuel to finish. The energy recovery system can either add torque on top of the engines power, or it can be used to reduce the engine load in order to make xxx power more efficiently, thus reducing the fuel required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergwheel1647545492 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Think what they would do with an E85 tune! I was thinking this as well. But then I thought about the extra 15% of fuel that would be required and I wonder if that weight gain in fuel would pay off for higher octane. I don't think it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I was thinking this as well. But then I thought about the extra 15% of fuel that would be required and I wonder if that weight gain in fuel would pay off for higher octane. I don't think it would. Agree. I do think it would be cool if they ran e85, I'm a big fan of it, but it would only give them more power but less fuel economy. With fuel economy being the main goal here, and 760hp being plenty...it'll do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Agree. I do think it would be cool if they ran e85, I'm a big fan of it, but it would only give them more power but less fuel economy. With fuel economy being the main goal here, and 760hp being plenty...it'll do While I did mean my E85 comment in a half sarcastic tone, it would also help knock resistance and would cool the cylinder as well. With the extremely high pressures (intake and exhaust) these engines will see I think heat could be a huge issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 For sure. I think in the article it mentions how the MGU-H gets so hot that it melting is a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Gump 9 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 That's a crazy looking turbo. Also it's clever how they run the exhaust and intake. Wonder where are the intercoolers? Built into the intake plenums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 You can see the intercooler in this diagram...it's effin huge http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbusoj5up0njpg/original.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwohio Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Awesome thread, thanks for posting.... Also, if they run the energy recovery system too long, they will run out of gas....so this season, they will actually have to pick and choose and strategize with their technical director and team engineers to determine how much 'juice' they can use each lap.....I'm wondering if we won't see a few people run out of gas on track this season...... I'm with you, OP, I can't wait for this season..... As I understand it, that's incorrect. The energy recovery system will function all the time, but if the car were to run full-boost, flat out, maximum HP for more than ~2 laps they won't have enough fuel to finish. The energy recovery system can either add torque on top of the engines power, or it can be used to reduce the engine load in order to make xxx power more efficiently, thus reducing the fuel required. So, i'm confused on where I was incorrect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 So, i'm confused on where I was incorrect? The energy recovery systems will function all the time, but how they put that energy back into the engine will differ throughout the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwohio Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 The energy recovery systems will function all the time, but how they put that energy back into the engine will differ throughout the race. Got ya, just worded it wrong...I meant if you run the 'boost' button for too long...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickey4271647545519 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbnskczm1w0jpg/original.jpg http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbt59pq44ntjpg/original.jpg http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbwwl8xnm8ijpg/original.jpg http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19dbwwl8yxq0sjpg/original.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Dope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 McLaren MP4-29. It's got a little penis nose going on there http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/24/mclaren-mp4-29-first-pictures/ Lotus E22: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/lotus-e22-886x566.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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