Tesla releases "Autopilot"

[Sledhead36]

780 million autopilot miles driven, 1 accident. Not bad.

[TTQ B4U]

http://www.thedrive.com/news/3497/another-tesla-model-s-may-have-crashed-while-driving-itself?xid=fbdt

 

Whoops...

 

a second Model S owner has come forward claiming a flaw in her car's self-driving system caused her vehicle to crash.

LOL as last I checked the car is smart but the license and priviliage to drive is granted to the driver. Planes have auto pilot modes too but the person behind the controls is still responsible for the safety of everyone involved. Can't blame the car.

 

Simpson expected her Tesla to do the same, as it normally would; instead, her car continued to maintain a constant heading and velocity, placing it on an impact course with the stopped vehicle in front.

Again, user-error IMO. To expect to have zero involvement while piloting a car or a plane and remain 100% safe is stupid and 100% user error. These are great systems but I don't see anyone claiming that you can relay on them to actually replace the common sense of the person behind the wheel. Adaptive cruise control is awesome but I'm not waiting for my car to slow down if I can clearly see the car in front of me got cut off and is hitting their brakes.

[Supplicium]

[SpaceGhost]

Model X crash, I had to read it twice as I thought is was fake, "Puzant Ozbag" :lolguy:

 

http://www.thedrive.com/news/3838/a-tesla-model-x-might-have-crashed-itself?xid=fbdt

 

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A Tesla Model X owner in California is saying that his almost brand-new car accelerated and smashed itself into a building. This comes after several other reports of Tesla Autopilot-related crashes.

 

 

The Model X's owner, Puzant Ozbag, said on the Tesla forum that as the car was being parked at low-speeds, it "suddenly and unexpectedly accelerated at high speed on its own" and wrecked into a building. Ozberg also told the forum that, because the accident resulted in the deployment of the car's airbags, his wife, who was inside the car at the time, suffered burn marks. These were reportedly the only serious injuries. The car was just five days old when the accident occurred.

 

Ozbag believes that it could have been much worse. "This could have easily been a fatal accident if the car’s wheels were not turned slightly to the left. If they were straight, it would have gone over the planters and crashed into the store in front of the parking stall and injured or killed the patrons."

 

 

 

 

As Electrek points out, due to the speed and other conditions of this crash, it's unlikely that the Model X was operating in the Summon remote parking mode, and it's also likely that the car was going too slow engage Autopilot.

 

Ozbag said feels that Tesla needs to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else. "This is a major problem and Tesla should stop deliveries and investigate the cause of this serious accident. Tesla roadside assistance, who was my only contact, asked us to tow the car to AAA storage facility.”

 

 

If this crash is in fact Autopilot-related (Tesla will likely pull the data to find out) it looks to be the most serious we have seen to this point.

 

Tesla was not immediately available for comment.

[Geeto67]

Lol

http://jalopnik.com/stop-lying-about-teslas-autopilot-crashing-your-car-1780908237

 

Stop Lying About Tesla's Autopilot Crashing Your Car

 

Tesla later responded to Electrek about the Model X incident claiming that the vehicle’s Autopilot feature had not been activated at the time of the incident or before, and the vehicle’s data logs showed the accelerator pedal being pressed just before the impact. Here’s the full statement from Tesla as reported by Electrek:

 

“We analyzed the vehicle logs which confirm that this Model X was operating correctly under manual control and was never in Autopilot or cruise control at the time of the incident or in the minutes before. Data shows that the vehicle was traveling at 6 mph when the accelerator pedal was abruptly increased to 100%. Consistent with the driver’s actions, the vehicle applied torque and accelerated as instructed. Safety is the top priority at Tesla and we engineer and build our cars with this foremost in mind. We are pleased that the driver is ok and ask our customers to exercise safe behavior when using our vehicles.”

 

Of course the information Tesla receives from the vehicle only offers a vague picture of the moments before, during and after an accident. But it’s enough to prove that the owner’s claims of the Autopilot system failing, or the vehicle acting on its own in some other way, simply isn’t accurate.

[Gergwheel1647545492]

Sounds like this bag of dicks was jamming on the "brake" pedal but it was really the gas pedal? i have heard of dumber things.

[zeitgeist57]

Sounds like this bag of dicks was jamming on the "brake" pedal but it was really the gas pedal? i have heard of dumber things.

 

More like...

 

 

an OZBAG OF DICKS.

 

[SpaceGhost]

Nice!

[caseyctsv]

More like...

 

 

an OZBAG OF DICKS.

 

 

Where is the damn like button?

[Mallard]

Where is the damn like button?

Edit: where is the damn Like button? It used to be in Tapatalk.

 

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[gillbot]

Now there's a cheaper model s, $66k? Interesting.

[El Karacho1647545492]

Real question for the Tesla owners/drivers. How do you feel about Tesla's ability to monitor your driving habits via internet, and their obvious willingness to release details about what you do in your car to the media? I'm guessing they probably don't engage in that sort of thing until people drag them into the media, but still, I would like to read some opinions on the subject.

[turbospec29]

Real question for the Tesla owners/drivers. How do you feel about Tesla's ability to monitor your driving habits via internet, and their obvious willingness to release details about what you do in your car to the media? I'm guessing they probably don't engage in that sort of thing until people drag them into the media, but still, I would like to read some opinions on the subject.

 

I think the fact that they have a "black box" system on board the cars that can tell them exactly what the car was doing prior to an accident is awesome. The fact that not all other manufacturers do not as standard in 2016 is pretty sad. In the sense of being monitored on a daily basis, I wouldn't mind, it I do something wrong that's on me. I can admit when I'm wrong.

[Sledhead36]

Real question for the Tesla owners/drivers. How do you feel about Tesla's ability to monitor your driving habits via internet, and their obvious willingness to release details about what you do in your car to the media? I'm guessing they probably don't engage in that sort of thing until people drag them into the media, but still, I would like to read some opinions on the subject.

 

I have no issues with it. At least Tesla is upfront about it and you can shut it off. But why would you? It gives Tesla the ability to have "real time" info to make software updates. I get updates about every 2 months , making the car only better....and at night in my garage. No need to bring the car in. You would be surprised what can be taken off the computer of every car out there today, plus your cell phone! They can track your speed and what was happening from both devices.

[unfunnyryan]

Real question for the Tesla owners/drivers. How do you feel about Tesla's ability to monitor your driving habits via internet, and their obvious willingness to release details about what you do in your car to the media? I'm guessing they probably don't engage in that sort of thing until people drag them into the media, but still, I would like to read some opinions on the subject.

 

Tesla is only defending their product with evidence they have at hand. If someones going to make claims the car tried to kill them, they better be able to back it up.

[Geeto67]

I have no issues with it. At least Tesla is upfront about it and you can shut it off. But why would you? It gives Tesla the ability to have "real time" info to make software updates. I get updates about every 2 months , making the car only better....and at night in my garage. No need to bring the car in. You would be surprised what can be taken off the computer of every car out there today, plus your cell phone! They can track your speed and what was happening from both devices.

 

you own a tesla, what does the Tesla privacy policy say? First place to start.

 

I don't think tesla is monitoring anything else other cars aren't already monitoring. This same issue came up in the Prius cases where toyota could tell you the throttle position and brake application prior to accident. Again that data was only released when allegations were made in the media. If the auto mfgs are halfway smart (and I think they are) they would have hired lawyers to write into the privacy policy an exclusion for privacy related to legal action. The difference in that case it is likely that a Toyota dealer had to retrieve the data from the cars ECM vs tesla who was able to pull up the data because it was sent to them over the internet directly. I think the age of the mfg spying on your driving crept up on us and implemented while we were distracted with other things and is now extremely common place - if you don't want the dealer or mfg collecting data on you, don't drive a modern car.

[Mallard]

I think the fact that they have a "black box" system on board the cars that can tell them exactly what the car was doing prior to an accident is awesome. The fact that not all other manufacturers do not as standard in 2016 is pretty sad. In the sense of being monitored on a daily basis, I wouldn't mind, it I do something wrong that's on me. I can admit when I'm wrong.

All companies have black box data for accident reconstruction. It's just that Tesla can get data wirelessly.

 

Tesla tracks your every move, all the time.

 

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[El Karacho1647545492]

All companies have black box data for accident reconstruction. It's just that Tesla can get data wirelessly.

 

Tesla tracks your every move, all the time.

 

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This is essentially the question at hand, and Kerry also touched on it.

 

On my phone I have the ability to opt out of location services. On my car I have the option to not hand over the car to a dealer for inspection/data retrieval.

 

Are those options with a Tesla? Can you simply turn off OTA communications and location tracking? It's not just Tesla, Ford is making a major push to claim ownership of onboard software so that changing or maintaining your car independently is considered misuse of their IP.

[Miller]

Lol

http://jalopnik.com/stop-lying-about-teslas-autopilot-crashing-your-car-1780908237

 

I had a feeling. Honestly, how many videos have we seen of people running into stores? Even at slow speeds, where we scratch our heads and ask questions like "how were they not able to apply the brakes or steer away!?" Tesla's got a computer that people can blame, it's the perfect "out" for a society that can't take responsibility for actions and are increasingly more terrible at driving. Whether it be by inbreeding or constant distraction, I don't know.

 

Rich hoe probably had a mental lapse from the stressful shopping of that day. She meant to hit enter on the text she was sending and the brain signal ended up at her foot. Easy mcsteak.

[Mallard]

you own a tesla, what does the Tesla privacy policy say? First place to start.

 

I don't think tesla is monitoring anything else other cars aren't already monitoring. This same issue came up in the Prius cases where toyota could tell you the throttle position and brake application prior to accident. Again that data was only released when allegations were made in the media. If the auto mfgs are halfway smart (and I think they are) they would have hired lawyers to write into the privacy policy an exclusion for privacy related to legal action. The difference in that case it is likely that a Toyota dealer had to retrieve the data from the cars ECM vs tesla who was able to pull up the data because it was sent to them over the internet directly. I think the age of the mfg spying on your driving crept up on us and implemented while we were distracted with other things and is now extremely common place - if you don't want the dealer or mfg collecting data on you, don't drive a modern car.

At this point, Tesla is gathering far more data than any other automaker, which is why they have offered to share it with NHTSA/DOT. This is important in order to monitor and validate features like Autopilot, but many people don't understand the extent of what's being collected.

 

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[Geeto67]

At this point, Tesla is gathering far more data than any other automaker, which is why they have offered to share it with NHTSA/DOT. This is important in order to monitor and validate features like Autopilot, but many people don't understand the extent of what's being collected.

 

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Xplain.

 

The way I see it they aren't collecting new data points so much as collecting the same data points in real time instead of storing events in the ecm for later extraction. The volume increased not the criteria. And some cars collect in real time anyway like any Chevy that had onstar - they just didn't do as much with the data.

[Mallard]

Xplain.

 

The way I see it they aren't collecting new data points so much as collecting the same data points in real time instead of storing events in the ecm for later extraction. The volume increased not the criteria. And some cars collect in real time anyway like any Chevy that had onstar - they just didn't do as much with the data.

In the event of a collision, I agree that everyone is storing the same type of data. During normal operation Tesla is collecting more data AND more actively monitoring it than any other company. They map everywhere you go and everything you do (where you plus in, where you turned something on/off, where you received a warning, or braked over a certain amount, or went over a certain speed), they can remotely connect to the car for diagnostics, they can upload images from the car, the lost goes on...

 

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[Mallard]

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P.S. How do you think they make charts like this? I'm sure they can sort it by VIN and show how "good" if a driver you are.

 

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Edited June 11, 2016 by Mallard

[Geeto67]

Wow.

 

Still, systems like onstar tracked where you went - they just didn't track your position in the lane. From a privacy standpoint the tech moved faster than the objections to violating your privacy could keep up, the only question that remains is are they adequately disclosing this info to consumers.

[Sledhead36]

All the data being collected by hundreds of millions of miles is now being stored in databanks. It makes the autopilot that much more smart. The system is learning. When I first got autopilot, and went out on the freeway, every time there was an exit, the car would slightly move towards that exit until it realized there was a white line ahead and it would pull it back into the lane. After two or three times passing that exit, it no longer did that. All of that information is being stored so that eventually a self driving vehicle has a navigated map for all roads in America. Everybody's car is basically creating Google maps for the self driving vehicles.