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In reference to my question about what rights women are denied...

 

"You would have to be a bit of a constitutional scholar to know this."

 

 

So it's my responsibility to pay for Jane X to get an abortion? The government should dictate what a company thinks you're worth?

 

Abortions are a lot cheaper than paying for adoption homes and shit for their whole lives.

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In reference to my question about what rights women are denied...

 

"You would have to be a bit of a constitutional scholar to know this."

 

I was being a bit of a smartass there, but I guess you could have also finished the sentence - "if you were not already a woman activist"

 

 

So it's my responsibility to pay for Jane X to get an abortion?

 

I get that this is a little bit of a stump issue for republicans but in reality Federal funding only pays for 6% of abortion and not directly. Planned Parenthood nor any other federal funded domestic charity cannot use federal funds under the hyde amendment for that purpose. So 0 federal funding goes to pay for abortion directly. Where it happens indirectly is Medicaid. Medicaid as a form of health insurance is required to cover the costs of those tests, and you can't separate funding out that pays for medicaid - you either pay for the whole coverage or you don't.

 

Now 17% of the overall costs for abortion come from state taxes, again through the funding of charitable organizations that provide healthcare services to poor or uninsured people (like students). Although not bound by the hyde act and can pay directly for these procedures, it varies wildly from state to state.

 

But let's talk for a moment, if you ever came inside a woman without a condom without thinking about what the next consequences would be, it's probably not a great idea to shit on programs that thought ahead for you when you were too busy just trying to crush puss, bro. Esp when these tests cost between $400 and $1000 if you had to pay out of pocket.

 

Also, if you really don't want to pay for this how about increasing the funding for people to get access to contraceptives and counseling? you know like planned parenthood (who again can't use federal money to perform abortions) provide.

 

Where Federal funding does pay directly for abortions is for charities performing health care work outside the US that receive federal funding (like Doctors without Borders). Remember these are healthcare providers giving care to non-us citizens as foreign humanitarian aide, and often they are doing it in response to much larger social problems the US doesn't have. But you don't have to worry about that because Trump stopped that, just like every Republican president does when they get in office.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/10/02/are-american-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion/#5118495e7709

 

The government should dictate what a company thinks you're worth?

 

Well....This is also a complex issue. It wouldn't be about the government telling you how much you are worth so much as transparency in wages to help with equality in enforcement. Right now the further down the skills ladder you go (toward unskilled) companies have more leverage in the negotiation process. Add in that traditional negotiation tactics tend to favor men because they were developed by men for men and have not evolved much since, and there isn't a lot of standalone negotiating training it puts women at a natural disadvantage.

 

Personally I am divided about this myself. On the one had the wage transparency would make it a lot easier to enforce discrimination violations, but at the same time, it chips away further overall at a worker's ability to negotiate.

 

For a lot of women however, there is another problem they are trying to solve, in that they represent 60% of the college and advance degrees in the work place but overall still earn less than their male counterparts. I honestly don't know what the root cause of this might actually be but it certainly is a problem when a generally more qualified population earns less just because of a difference in gender. So far the government has been mostly silent on solving this issue.

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Let's change the subject, shall we?

 

It occurred to me that it seems some of you seem to confuse "Protest" with "Protest Rally/Demonstration" as if the entirety of the protest is the march/demonstration/rally etc...and nothing happens before and after.

 

 

A protest is basically an objection to something and has many tools at it's disposal. Think of a protest as a military campaign where the majority of it happens behind the scenes.

 

Usually the way it works in the political spectrum is an individual, group, or groups oppose something so they put together a plan of action. Their actions might include legal action (lawsuit), lobbying lawmakers, raising funding to privately offset the harm being done, and raising awareness through small community action (flyering, public speaking, etc). This is where the meat of the protest usually happens and is most effective, but unfortunately the majority of this is not always visible to the general public.

 

What is visible are Demonstrations, marches, picketing, Rallies, etc. The value of these are several:

 

- Recruitment: Since these actions are highly visible it often brings out those that are socially supportive or at least sympathetic. This allows the group to recruit more volunteers to do the behind the scenes work by interfacing with a collection of like minded people. It's ok that most of the people that show up to these things don't volunteer much - the goal is to get them to do that and a successful rally can often make a significant difference in an organization's manpower. It also allows different groups working on the same or similar issues to network where geography might have prevented it otherwise. For those big marches on Washington this is one of the most valuable aspects along with the show of force.

 

- Inspiration: Often the people working on the other campaigns of the protest are doing it semi-isolated or at least not in groups. A large demonstration, march, or rally helps to recharge morale and solidify that the tireless work they do is appreciated by others. It's often very hard to fight and loose consistently until you win so knowing there is a larger group that supports you can reinvigorate efforts and sometimes kick people's motivation into high gear.

 

- Publicity: Often a large gathering can bring an issue to a broader audience through media coverage. This can sometimes feed into recruitment too but more importantly if the higher up people who can assist in making a change weren't aware of the concern before then will be now. Any exposure is good.

 

- As an engine of change. This is what most people think a protest does but actually is the least valuable thing because it is so difficult to pull off. Often the nuisance value of a protest (how much it inconveniences everyone) can recruit unwilling advocates. Maybe you don't support the cause but you really want the road you take to work open again so you complain to the government office and say "fix this". A great example of this is the Montgomery Bus Boycott where the protest rallys and overally boycotts crippled the bus line from operating at all - meaning any individual wanting to use the bus was now protesting whether they liked it or not. Often the Demonstration can serve as a show of force to law makers who don't think the issue has support and frustrate the behind the scene work. Say a a rights advocate lobbies a senator to sponsor a bill or they will convince their constituency to vote against the senator in the next election and the senator says you don't have that much support. The advocate might then stage a rally to demonstrate their reach across the constituency.

 

So then next time you guys say - I don't understand what a march to washington or a demonstration in fromt of city hall hopes to accomplish this is what it really means.

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Let's change the subject, shall we?

 

It occurred to me that it seems some of you seem to confuse "Protest" with "Protest Rally/Demonstration" as if the entirety of the protest is the march/demonstration/rally etc...and nothing happens before and after.

 

 

A protest is basically an objection to something and has many tools at it's disposal. Think of a protest as a military campaign where the majority of it happens behind the scenes.

 

Usually the way it works in the political spectrum is an individual, group, or groups oppose something so they put together a plan of action. Their actions might include legal action (lawsuit), lobbying lawmakers, raising funding to privately offset the harm being done, and raising awareness through small community action (flyering, public speaking, etc). This is where the meat of the protest usually happens and is most effective, but unfortunately the majority of this is not always visible to the general public.

 

What is visible are Demonstrations, marches, picketing, Rallies, etc. The value of these are several:

 

- Recruitment: Since these actions are highly visible it often brings out those that are socially supportive or at least sympathetic. This allows the group to recruit more volunteers to do the behind the scenes work by interfacing with a collection of like minded people. It's ok that most of the people that show up to these things don't volunteer much - the goal is to get them to do that and a successful rally can often make a significant difference in an organization's manpower. It also allows different groups working on the same or similar issues to network where geography might have prevented it otherwise. For those big marches on Washington this is one of the most valuable aspects along with the show of force.

 

- Inspiration: Often the people working on the other campaigns of the protest are doing it semi-isolated or at least not in groups. A large demonstration, march, or rally helps to recharge morale and solidify that the tireless work they do is appreciated by others. It's often very hard to fight and loose consistently until you win so knowing there is a larger group that supports you can reinvigorate efforts and sometimes kick people's motivation into high gear.

 

- Publicity: Often a large gathering can bring an issue to a broader audience through media coverage. This can sometimes feed into recruitment too but more importantly if the higher up people who can assist in making a change weren't aware of the concern before then will be now. Any exposure is good.

 

- As an engine of change. This is what most people think a protest does but actually is the least valuable thing because it is so difficult to pull off. Often the nuisance value of a protest (how much it inconveniences everyone) can recruit unwilling advocates. Maybe you don't support the cause but you really want the road you take to work open again so you complain to the government office and say "fix this". A great example of this is the Montgomery Bus Boycott where the protest rallys and overally boycotts crippled the bus line from operating at all - meaning any individual wanting to use the bus was now protesting whether they liked it or not. Often the Demonstration can serve as a show of force to law makers who don't think the issue has support and frustrate the behind the scene work. Say a a rights advocate lobbies a senator to sponsor a bill or they will convince their constituency to vote against the senator in the next election and the senator says you don't have that much support. The advocate might then stage a rally to demonstrate their reach across the constituency.

 

So then next time you guys say - I don't understand what a march to washington or a demonstration in fromt of city hall hopes to accomplish this is what it really means.

 

 

 

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And I thank you for taking time from your busy day watching cuckold porn on redtube to bring awareness to the illiteracy problem plaguing Ohio's car culture. It's noble work you do. :p

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-climatechange-idUSKBN15906G

 

U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has instructed the Environmental Protection Agency to remove the climate change page from its website, two agency employees told Reuters, the latest move by the newly minted leadership to erase ex-President Barack Obama's climate change initiatives.

 

The employees were notified by EPA officials on Tuesday that the administration had instructed EPA's communications team to remove the website's climate change page, which contains links to scientific global warming research, as well as detailed data on emissions. The page could go down as early as Wednesday, the sources said.

 

Brilliant :rolleyes:

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And I thank you for taking time from your busy day watching cuckold porn on redtube to bring awareness to the illiteracy problem plaguing Ohio's car culture. It's noble work you do. :p

 

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Let's change the subject, shall we?

 

It occurred to me that it seems some of you seem to confuse "Protest" with "Protest Rally/Demonstration" as if the entirety of the protest is the march/demonstration/rally etc...and nothing happens before and after.

 

 

A protest is basically an objection to something and has many tools at it's disposal. Think of a protest as a military campaign where the majority of it happens behind the scenes.

 

Usually the way it works in the political spectrum is an individual, group, or groups oppose something so they put together a plan of action. Their actions might include legal action (lawsuit), lobbying lawmakers, raising funding to privately offset the harm being done, and raising awareness through small community action (flyering, public speaking, etc). This is where the meat of the protest usually happens and is most effective, but unfortunately the majority of this is not always visible to the general public.

 

What is visible are Demonstrations, marches, picketing, Rallies, etc. The value of these are several:

 

- Recruitment: Since these actions are highly visible it often brings out those that are socially supportive or at least sympathetic. This allows the group to recruit more volunteers to do the behind the scenes work by interfacing with a collection of like minded people. It's ok that most of the people that show up to these things don't volunteer much - the goal is to get them to do that and a successful rally can often make a significant difference in an organization's manpower. It also allows different groups working on the same or similar issues to network where geography might have prevented it otherwise. For those big marches on Washington this is one of the most valuable aspects along with the show of force.

 

- Inspiration: Often the people working on the other campaigns of the protest are doing it semi-isolated or at least not in groups. A large demonstration, march, or rally helps to recharge morale and solidify that the tireless work they do is appreciated by others. It's often very hard to fight and loose consistently until you win so knowing there is a larger group that supports you can reinvigorate efforts and sometimes kick people's motivation into high gear.

 

- Publicity: Often a large gathering can bring an issue to a broader audience through media coverage. This can sometimes feed into recruitment too but more importantly if the higher up people who can assist in making a change weren't aware of the concern before then will be now. Any exposure is good.

 

- As an engine of change. This is what most people think a protest does but actually is the least valuable thing because it is so difficult to pull off. Often the nuisance value of a protest (how much it inconveniences everyone) can recruit unwilling advocates. Maybe you don't support the cause but you really want the road you take to work open again so you complain to the government office and say "fix this". A great example of this is the Montgomery Bus Boycott where the protest rallys and overally boycotts crippled the bus line from operating at all - meaning any individual wanting to use the bus was now protesting whether they liked it or not. Often the Demonstration can serve as a show of force to law makers who don't think the issue has support and frustrate the behind the scene work. Say a a rights advocate lobbies a senator to sponsor a bill or they will convince their constituency to vote against the senator in the next election and the senator says you don't have that much support. The advocate might then stage a rally to demonstrate their reach across the constituency.

 

So then next time you guys say - I don't understand what a march to washington or a demonstration in fromt of city hall hopes to accomplish this is what it really means.

 

 

 

Ahh it all makes sense now. This is why women were dressed up as Vagina's.

 

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Oh and you forgot to mention rioting...

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Ahh it all makes sense now. This is why women were dressed up as Vagina's.

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I don't know about you but I get really motivated seeing a vagina, esp in real life!

 

 

Oh and you forgot to mention rioting...

 

yeah yeah...rioting...blah blah blah....

 

Look, anywhere you get a really large crowd of people you get some of those people acting like dickheads. It doesn't matter if it is a Women's rights march, A new years eve celebration, a rock and roll show, a Klan rally, or a Black fucking Friday line outside walmart. People are animals and sometimes a few of those animals get cagey and do stupid violent things.

 

To denounce what was largely a peaceful protest and try to undermine the message because of a tiny minority of people who weren't raised right and may not have been affiliated with anything at all (because some of them were anarchists....get it?) misses the point.

 

If you think that violent rioting is an exclusively liberal phenomenon, and you live in a state where the Ohio National Guard Once murdered unarmed college students during a protest, then man I don't know what to tell you.

 

We are all ghosts driving a meat covered skeleton chained to a rock by invisible forces that is hurling through space....shit gets crazy sometimes for us. All of us.

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I wonder how many people will get that reference. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

 

He really is our Richard Nixon and this is 1968 all over again. We have a waning foreign war (Vietnam then, Iraq/Afganistan now), A highly divided country over civil rights, A narcissistic president who continues to foster the notion that the educated are all liberals and therefore communists/socialists, an increasing cold war with Russia, a massive illegal drug epidemic....I mean its almost like we learned nothing in the last 50 years.

 

On a positive note (and since this is a car forum) we have the second muscle car era in full swing wiht things like the Hellcat, the ZL1 and the GT350...so at least we got one of the good parts of the 1960's. Now if we could only get the free love and groovy music to come back.

 

At least Nixon was in the Navy and cared about the environment.

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