Gergwheel1647545492 Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Is it so powerful it's bending the frame or is the frame that janky? http://www.thedrive.com/news/26920/chevrolet-corvette-c8-is-so-powerful-it-keeps-bending-its-frame-shattering-glass-report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeROC Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 I haven't been on this site long, but from what I've seen they just need a C5 with some subframe connectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Anybody who buys a first-year C8 has questionable intelligence. It's gonna be a shitshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 900-1k HP on a vette? They can't hand that over to Bob the pizza shop owner or Leonard the insurance guy for less than a normal 401k drawers income. Edited March 13, 2019 by Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 The comment section is amazing, so many experts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POS VETT Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 It happened in the test mules which are expected to reveal design flaws. Development of a model line doesn't stop when the first unit rolls off the production line. Numerous revisions are performed during the life of the line and some are done after for various reasons. I'd be glad that such a structural weakness could be found during the early, pre-production stage, let GM sort it out. If it's anything, I'm glad that the powertrain-drivetrain and suspension are up for such a power level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 These are in line with previous rumors which claimed that the C8 will use a twin-turbo V-8 to achieve hypercar-like performance, with acceleration so "frightening" that GM has supposedly consulted with lawyers about the potential risk of selling something so fast. This was literally the dumbest sentence in the whole article and proof that most of the article is hype and bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiek2000 Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Anybody who buys a first-year C8 has questionable intelligence. It's gonna be a shitshow. I don't even want to work on them. Nothing sounds fun about mid engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 I don't even want to work on them. Nothing sounds fun about mid engine I was surprised how horrible changing belts on a 6.0L CTS-V was. If there’s any reliability to the powertrain, I’m sure it won’t be as bad as mid-engines exotics that needed engine-out maintenance every 15k-30k miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordell Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 It's a space frame, how many other GM's have space frame? Ummm, that would be about zero. We're talking about "two fat blokes from Kentucky" here, they're figuring it out. Give it time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeROC Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 We're talking about "two fat blokes from Kentucky" here, they're figuring it out. Give it time. Jeremy Clarkson, is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robochan Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Automatic LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Because supercar. Anybody who buys a first-year C8 has questionable intelligence. It's gonna be a shitshow. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 It's a space frame, how many other GM's have space frame? Ummm, that would be about zero. We're talking about "two fat blokes from Kentucky" here, they're figuring it out. Give it time. Hasn’t GM been making space frames since Saturn in the late ‘80s? Hasn’t the C5 Corvette been hydroformed frame rails since late ‘90s? Saul Goodman. They’ll figure it out. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordell Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Hasn’t GM been making space frames since Saturn in the late ‘80s? Hasn’t the C5 Corvette been hydroformed frame rails since late ‘90s? Saul Goodman. They’ll figure it out. :thumbup: What about a Saturn is a space frame? Basically just another unibody. I’m not sure how GM is designing this new thing because they’ve never really referred to anything as a space frame. Maybe I’m wrong? Starting with the C5 and ending with the base model C6 they used hydroformed frame rails that ran from the front bumper support to the rear bumper. C6 Z06s, C6 ZR1s, and all C7s use a multi piece aluminum frame with different sections welded together. They are a few different things, extruded aluminum rails, with cast aluminum sections where the front and rear suspension, ie cradles, are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 What about a Saturn is a space frame? Basically just another unibody. I’m not sure how GM is designing this new thing because they’ve never really referred to anything as a space frame. Maybe I’m wrong? Starting with the C5 and ending with the base model C6 they used hydroformed frame rails that ran from the front bumper support to the rear bumper. C6 Z06s, C6 ZR1s, and all C7s use a multi piece aluminum frame with different sections welded together. They are a few different things, extruded aluminum rails, with cast aluminum sections where the front and rear suspension, ie cradles, are. I think clay was confusing monocoque (which includes uni-body) with "space frame". Saturn was a monocoque that they hung plastic body panels on, as opposed to cars like the camaro which were uni-body and the rear quarter panels and tail panel were the outside finished body. To be fair, most high end road cars like lamborghini are monocoque chassis with bodies laid over them, and then some space frame sub assemblies for added rigidity. See the Ferrari F12 chassis below: http://www.moibbk.com/images/ferrari-f12-berlinetta-engine-2.jpg It looks like a body on frame car, but technically it is a monocoque because the floor pan is part of the frame and is structural. A true space frame car is something like a porsche 917: or the chassis on a tube frame ducati: the problem these days, is that the terms have become somewhat interchangible, because you have some motor-journalists that don't really know the definition of either and use the terms interchangeably. I have no doubt that the new C8 is going to be a monocoque with some small space frame sub assembly structure, because that is how the higher end mid engine cars like the aventador and ferrari 488 are made (see the x-style cross bracing in the engine bay - that is probably what is bending when they are talking about the cars bending "frames"): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) http://www.saturnfans.com/cars/what-spaceframe Spaceframe....monocoque....supercar...:gabe: Edited March 14, 2019 by zeitgeist57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 http://www.saturnfans.com/cars/what-spaceframe Spaceframe....monocoque....supercar...:gabe: :lolguy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergwheel1647545492 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 http://www.saturnfans.com/cars/what-spaceframe Spaceframe....monocoque....supercar...:gabe: Kerry probably got confused cause he used to be a journalist and they don't use the terms properly according to Kerry Anybody who buys a first-year C8 has questionable intelligence. It's gonna be a shitshow. This needs to be posted more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 They just need to badge it as a Buick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 http://www.saturnfans.com/cars/what-spaceframe from that link: Saturn's S-Series were built on a spaceframe design that surrounded the entire care with a steel safety cage. The design proved to be very effective in many types of high-speed and rollover crashes. The L-Series cars had what Saturn called an "enhanced" spaceframe. This was essentially a hybrid spaceframe-unibody architecture. A unibody design uses a car's exterior shell to provide all structural support. So it's not a "true "space framed" framed car. The S was a unibody car with an exterior roll cage that they hung all the body panels on, and the L was a monocoque with space frame bracing. Those cars came out at a time when the exotic's were also toying with monocoque space frame hybrids and I imagine this is GM's marketing pushing the buzz word "space frame", because raceccar, when it really wasn't a true space frame in the pure sense. They did this with the Fiero also prior to the Saturn and do you know how much of the Fiero uses a "Space Frame"? This much: http://images.fieroforum.com/pffimages/spframeconv.jpg Now do you know what GM built that does have a true space frame and not a hybrid monocoqe/spaceframe? here's a hint: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossle Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 I bet Scott is super excited about how potentially difficult it could be to service these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordell Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Now do you know what GM built that does have a true space frame and not a hybrid monocoqe/spaceframe? here's a hint: If that’s a space frame then it’s no wonder the new shit is breaking with decent power. And yes I’m just fucking thrilled, any of this shit comes to Dan Tobin it will be forced upon me. I can only imagine the bullshit coming. I’ll gladly bitch about it in the future so you’ll all know what’s up with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 I love Scott's critical view of GM products. Someone in UA asks me what I think about the GMC Acadia...I say that I have it on good authority you don't want to be holding the note on any of GM's Lambda stablemates after 100k miles. Then I channel my inner Cordell and bitch about transmissions, brakes, wheel bearings... Usually it's more technical than they were expecting to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 What's the difference between a corvette and your mom? The corvette has had monocock. I'll see myself out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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