ReconRat Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Is the control circuit the low voltage side of the solenoid? Sounds like it. Kinda odd that the solenoid would click, if there was a problem on that side. And kinda odd that was bad enough to keep the bike from starting. Either your meter bridged over the bad wiring, or the bad wiring moved while working on it. Best guess. A short in the wiring on that side, might be enough to keep it from starting? But enough gets through to let the solenoid actuate? This can't be this complicated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I was testing voltages throughout the whole circuit that involves the starter, low and high voltage side, to make sure everything was where it was supposed to be. None of the wiring appeared or felt like it was loose, none of the wires were damaged, everything felt solid. It's almost like the voltage had to build up before there was enough to push through the solenoid; though I don't think that is how electrical works... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahooli Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) I was testing voltages throughout the whole circuit that involves the starter, low and high voltage side, to make sure everything was where it was supposed to be. None of the wiring appeared or felt like it was loose, none of the wires were damaged, everything felt solid. It's almost like the voltage had to build up before there was enough to push through the solenoid; though I don't think that is how electrical works...A starter solenoid has a winding that, when enough current is passed through in the appropriate direction, shoves a plunger and makes contact between two plates. The contact allows current to flow through the starter.if the winding is damaged - it will not start.if the contacts are damaged - it will not start.if there is not enough current to hold the plunger engaged - it will not start. (that's why you hear rapid clicking when you have a weak battery).And rebuilt starters work just as well as new, barring any heat-related damage to the coils. Edited June 7, 2009 by Kahooli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 A starter solenoid has a winding that, when enough current is passed through in the appropriate direction, shoves a plunger and makes contact between two plates. The contact allows current to flow through the starter.if the winding is damaged - it will not start.if the contacts are damaged - it will not start.if there is not enough current to hold the plunger engaged - it will not start. (thats why you hear rapid clicking when you have a weak battery).Not rapid clicking, just a click when I press the starter button down, and a click when it is released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahooli Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 "It's almost like the voltage had to build up"Using poor terminology-I was just explaining how a solenoid works, and that there is no collection of charge required (no significant capacitive properties).Likely one of the windings in your starter, or a brush, is bad and that 8 seconds of dead time was just the time it took before it arced across and started to spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 "It's almost like the voltage had to build up"Using poor terminology-I was just explaining how a solenoid works, and that there is no collection of charge required (no significant capacitive properties).Likely one of the windings in your starter, or a brush, is bad and that 8 seconds of dead time was just the time it took before it arced across and started to spin.Good point. Indeed, it could be a reluctant starter. As long as the solenoid is "clicking", and good amps and volts are making it to the starter connection from the battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted June 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 F*ck if I know, electrical is my weakness and I just kinda wing it when I have to work on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 And after a few days of not being able to ride her b/c of the weather, she is back to not starting for me... i think she just gets mad b/c i don't pay enough attention to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Ok, located the problem. I found that by bridging the wires that run to the starter button that the bike starts right up, so looks like I need a new starter switch assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 These all use the same part for R-H switch assy (p/n 46091-1663)1996-1999 EX250 Ninja 250R1994-1997 EX500 Ninja 5001995-1998 ZG1000 Concours1996-1997 ZX1100 Ninja ZX-111995-1997 ZX1100 GPZ 11001997 ZX600-C10 Ninja 600R1993-1997 ZX600 Ninja ZX-61995-1997 ZX600 Ninja ZX-6R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 These all use the same part for R-H switch assy (p/n 46091-1663)1996-1999 EX250 Ninja 250R1994-1997 EX500 Ninja 5001995-1998 ZG1000 Concours1996-1997 ZX1100 Ninja ZX-111995-1997 ZX1100 GPZ 11001997 ZX600-C10 Ninja 600R1993-1997 ZX600 Ninja ZX-61995-1997 ZX600 Ninja ZX-6RWow, thanks for the list, I'll expand my search on ebay.Oh, and I took my switch apart, nothing was working, not even the clicking noise I used to hear, put it back together and it works again... I have no F-ing clue as to what exactly is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 back to starters.....buying a used one off ebay that is "IN GREAT WORKING CONDITION" is way cheaper than a new one and getting one rebuilt....I had a bike starter rebuilt it cost $110 cuz the parts were rare or something gay like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Yea but i don't need a starter, I just need the switch that goes on the handlebars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheezle Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Buy a push button at the hardware store a relocate it. I've seen it done a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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