katanafreak Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 gonna try like hell to make it to beaverun on aug28th, just wondering if i would be ok to run in the open group. I never been there before so i am kinda hesitant to move up. last time at nelson ledges we were doing pretty good in the instructional group. some instructors were getting mad at me and my instructor for passing. just dont wanna move myself up and slow down some folks. Here is a video of me at MSR Cresson in texas a few months past. prolly like 4 or 5 track days ago. i dunno maybe some of you faster guys can give me some insight? only reason i ask is i just watched the video of the wreck at nelson ledges cause the guy didnt hold his line and smacked into the other guy. Trying to avoid that lol. Well let me know what you guys think!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STmRkXQeGjg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) it's hard to say without seeing you ride. Even lap times don't tell the whole story, but they're a concrete number, so that's where most people turn.I've ridden BeaveRun at least 10 times over the last 3 riding seasons, and can turn fast "I" or slow "A" times, depending on which group I'm with.I registered in 'Open' for the 28th if you want a tow in the first session. After looking at the Fasttrax/Motoseries lap times from their last race at BeaveRun, I probably should have registered in their "race" group, but it is what it is. You'll probably be fine. stay on line, and you won't slow anyone down. Edited August 13, 2010 by redkow97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 just do open and when they ask you if you want to be paired up with a racer or instructor, tell them you want a tow for a session. if not, you can ask anyone here that will ride in open to see if they'll give you a tow around.if you've done more 10+ track days, i would guess you'll be fine for the open group. any idea what kind of times you were running at nelson's consistently and without fear of getting out of line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katanafreak Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 no idea what i was runnin that day i didnt have a lap timer. wish i would of rented one. only thing i can say is me and the instructor Julian(sp?) we lapped some people in the instructional group twice in some sessions, but i dont think we were aloud too lol. like i said other instructors were gettin pissed at us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 ya, you're probably dangerous in Novice. Do open group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 I'm going to try to get back to Beaver as well. Just not sure if I want to try the open group or not seeing how this will be the 3rd track day this year and 2nd one at Beaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedTriple44444 Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 My only time out on the track was at Beaverun (on a 650 V-strom, lol). I was in novice, just because it was my first time out. It was really frustrating, because guys on real sport bikes were holding me up in the turns, and if I passed them (which I wasn't technically supposed to do in the turns) they blew by me on the straights (65hp vs. 100+).I would say to go with the advanced class and stay on line like the others said. Then again, wtf do I know about it, lol. BTW, that track was REALLY fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 unless you turn better than 1:05's at BeaveRun, I'd consider yourself "borderline" for Advanced.I registered in open, and PM'd Todd (moto series todd) to ask if he thought consistent 1:06's were fast enough for Advanced.It's the day before a race day. WERA riders get into the :57's at BeaveRun. the podium riders for Fasttrax will still all be in the 1:00 range."open" should be riders in the 1:12-1:06 range, but because they let anyone register wherever they want, I'm betting there will be "open" riders lapping in the 1:20 range. Those people belong in the instructional group... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walther_gsp Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 unless you turn better than 1:05's at BeaveRun, I'd consider yourself "borderline" for Advanced.I registered in open, and PM'd Todd (moto series todd) to ask if he thought consistent 1:06's were fast enough for Advanced.It's the day before a race day. WERA riders get into the :57's at BeaveRun. the podium riders for Fasttrax will still all be in the 1:00 range."open" should be riders in the 1:12-1:06 range, but because they let anyone register wherever they want, I'm betting there will be "open" riders lapping in the 1:20 range. Those people belong in the instructional group...I recall some fastrax folks commenting that 1:20's (meaning 1:20-1:29) was WAY too fast for novice at Beaver. Now, I think thats a load of crap,but I also think 1:05 minimum at beaver for Advanced is a load of crap. You have to remember its a track day, not a race. Most folks will agree that A group trackday pace should be off race pace somewhat.In fact, a buddy of mine was coaching someone at the Beaver day last fall and while running 1:12's they were literally passing everyone in Open. To the OP, try Open, get with a coach, and if you feel in over your head after a session or two, drop back down to Novice. There is no way Todd wouldn't accommodate you if you felt out of place in Open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 All I know is Jinu and the other turd on the speedtriple went by me and started slowly walking away in the last session. And they were in Open that day. Novice was good to be in and were turned it up several notches once the instructor knew were wanted to get some. You'll easily find a fast group of novice guys if the open group is to much for you, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMN8TR Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hey, I'm that other turd...and its a daytona not a speedtriple, get it right!Julian is a great instructor to have if you are one of the faster Novice riders...seems like the other instructors are always getting mad at him for passing. I'm suprised he's still an instructor there, lol. On another note if he's not instructing that day (which was the case last BeaveRun track day I was at) but still there, he'd be more than happy to tow you around in Open for a couple sessions. Probably at a rediculous pace passing a lot of the other Open riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Daytona...Triple...they're all the same piles of smelly poo.I think I'm going to have to dip into the rainy day fund to make the end of Aug. day. And I think I'll do the Novice thing and and if I get bored which I know I will just go out with the Open group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 If you think you're ready for intermediate, just sign up for it cause they said people won't be able to move up out down within the groups if they're all sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Will you and the poo rider let me stay close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I'm still undecided on whether I wanna ride in advanced or intermediate yet. I think id be able to cut some time in advanced but not sure I wanna do it at the expense of other advanced riders having to pass me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Jinu you don't need to cut time. Don't forget I have to finish in front of you sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Well...we already know that Chachi there on the 636 will be doing extra laps since he's instructing and will need to let loose on the O and A groups. O was just a giant cluster last time and I'm sure it'll be the same again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 and what group are you running in r1lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I also think 1:05 minimum at beaver for Advanced is a load of crap. You have to remember its a track day, not a race. Most folks will agree that A group trackday pace should be off race pace somewhat.Maybe I just ride with NESBA too often. Their "A" group is usually between :59 and 1:04.I ride at the front of "I"Todd got back to me and moved me to "Advanced," or "racer" group, or whatever.with faster riders to chase, I'm hoping for 1:04's, but really just there to have fun and not crash. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 and what group are you running in r1loverProviding I can find the fundage I'll be signing up for the Open group just so I don't have to put up with you all the damn time in Novice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Maybe I just ride with NESBA too often. Their "A" group is usually between :59 and 1:04.I ride at the front of "I"Todd got back to me and moved me to "Advanced," or "racer" group, or whatever.with faster riders to chase, I'm hoping for 1:04's, but really just there to have fun and not crash. We shall see.I'm thinking that NESBA, STT, and Fasttrax/motoseries definitely have different "standards" for lap times within the groups.I've only done 1 day with NESBA, but I definitely think they're on the faster end as far as what they want to see for advancement amongst the groups. Gotta say, even as a STT and Motoseries fanboy, I like NESBA's approach on "placing" people into groups better than allowing riders to pick their own groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Providing I can find the fundage I'll be signing up for the Open group just so I don't have to put up with you all the damn time in Novice.I will wave on the way by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 And I'll wave back when I pass you on the straights....cacksucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I hope this ends in a blood bath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hey Jinu, we could have Mikey follow him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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