omaralaoui Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 any ol' hell bound retard like myself can come up with a technicality that is difficult to clearly explain away, for which god must be impervious to. cause of the whole omni-everything thing.in the end, it always comes back to the "it takes faith" argument... and there is nothing wrong with that in a faith based belief system. But those who would "preach" those beliefs should not try to play in the same playground (and therefore, the same rules) as logic or scientific method based theories.and that's why i want to be a muslim pokemon master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Read the Bible. What we've said is fact. If I baby is born, then dies before being baptized, according to the Bible they go to hell. Now, several religions have revised this. That's exactly the point of this discussion. Even organized religions like the Catholic church don't accept everything in the Bible word for word.I ran across something that might be a bit enlightening on this topic.2 Timothy 2:12-1312if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; 13if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.What I take away from that is that if you know no difference, He will remain faithful, saving you. But if you know, but disown Him, you're on your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I'd be interested to know that the Kuran says, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omaralaoui Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I'd be interested to know that the Kuran says, too.i d love to tell you but u wont like my answer. we believe in jesus but don't believe in the holy trinity, nor that he was crucified. so there is no salvation through jesus for us, its hard work or get ur ass to the crowded place called hell..lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 i d love to tell you but u wont like my answer. we believe in jesus but don't believe in the holy trinity, nor that he was crucified. so there is no salvation through jesus for us, its hard work or get ur ass to the crowded place called hell..lolu dont believe he was crucified at all or just that it didnt mean anything? regardless of ur religion or beliefs, he did get crucified lol...thats like saying u dont believe ford ever produced f150s in the color red...they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 i d love to tell you but u wont like my answer. we believe in jesus but don't believe in the holy trinity, nor that he was crucified. so there is no salvation through jesus for us, its hard work or get ur ass to the crowded place called hell..lolSo you have to earn your way in. Therefore, a baby is likely not going? That's just what I'm getting from what you're saying there, unless there's somethign written for you that says otherwise. Islam is more different from Christianity than I thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 u dont believe he was crucified at all or just that it didnt mean anything? regardless of ur religion or beliefs, he did get crucified lol...thats like saying u dont believe ford ever produced f150s in the color red...they didThey didn't. I think the color is called crimson! Interesting point though Tyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omaralaoui Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 u dont believe he was crucified at all or just that it didnt mean anything? regardless of ur religion or beliefs, he did get crucified lol...thats like saying u dont believe ford ever produced f150s in the color red...they didwell obviously nothing is a fact , and i do not expect to believe in my religion . there is no point in being christian if you did not believe he was crucified and i have to respect that of course.instead of explain my religion 's position on jesus, i ll just quote the quran :"(They have incurred divine displeasure): in that they broke their Covenant: that they rejected the Signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah's Word; we need no more)"; nay Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy and little is it they believe.That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge.That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise.And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omaralaoui Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 So you have to earn your way in. Therefore, a baby is likely not going? That's just what I'm getting from what you're saying there, unless there's somethign written for you that says otherwise. Islam is more different from Christianity than I thought!according to the quran, anyone who can not make a conscious judgment will go to heaven including babies, animals , etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 inb4omarcrashesaplaneintoportershousei kid i kid! lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omaralaoui Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 inb4omarcrashesaplaneintoportershousei kid i kid! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 , and why would you say that ?So after 16 pages how many joined out of 4200+ members ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 So after 16 pages how many joined out of 4200+ members ?16 pages? Only 6 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 6 pages? Only 5 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 6 pages? Only 5 here. You must have people blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 You must have people blocked. I don't, and I'm on page 5. You fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 you know I am liberal in counting pages.....but conservative in computers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I guess I'm cooler than you two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 you know I am liberal in counting pages.....but conservative in computers....Too small, I can't see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I am sure.....I fail in printing screen.....you win.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I guess I'm cooler than you two. I guess I'm better and more efficient than you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Too small, I can't see.That's what she told you, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Butters Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 yup....i have nobody blocked, and im still on page 5...chebby failboats with kosmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 ^^^ haha I figured....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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