Arizona set to ban state affirmative action programs

[chevysoldier]

This measure would ban affirmative-action policies in public employment, education and contracting.

As of right now, it is 60% in favor of the ban. Thoughts?

[Casper]

About freaking time.

[chevysoldier]

My thoughts exactly. Affirmative action does not work. It only keeps better qualified people out because they aren't a "minority". Hopefully some of this Arizona mentality rubs off on the rest of the country.

[Vulcan_Rider]

It seems that with every law that state passes I want to move there more and more

[drew95gt]

It seems that with every law that state passes I want to move there more and more

I agree!!! Plus year round riding in the sun...sign me up!!

[psyco1]

You're going to need those laws in a few years when whites are the minority there.

[kawi kid]

So will the federal government sue them over this too?

[YSR_Racer_99]

So will the federal government sue them over this too?

Yup. And Jessie Jackson and the ilk will be all over TV.

[wrillo]

plus one million upvotes for Arizona

[CattaniAFJ]

AZ is the shit.

It's about time someone stepped up to do this shit. I missed out on becoming a Cincinnati Police Officer about 3-4 years ago due to this shit. I scored a 94% on my test and got through most of everything else, only to lose out on some spots to guys/women that scored in the mid-high 80's. What a fucking joke. If my life is on the line, I want the next best covering my ass...don't care if you're white, black, yellow, brown, or fucking purple.

[r1crusher]

I guess RVTPilot won't be moving there, instead he'll be swimming back across the river to be with his relatives.

[Big Chief201]

I wish I had the paper I wrote in college about how Affirmative action is hurting America. I love AZ now when will Ohio follow in its foot steps

[cg2112]

As of right now, it is 60% in favor of the ban. Thoughts?

Given that every third law passed in Arizona is anti-minority or anti-hispanic, this should be completely unsurprising.

[max power]

Do it! Affirmative Action is stupid and Jesse Jackson is a money grubbin devil.

Most qualified person gets the job. Period.

[kawi kid]

Do it! Affirmative Action is stupid and Jesse Jackson is a money grubbin devil.

Most qualified person gets the job. Period.

Unless you are running for president of the united states lol

[max power]

Unless you are running for president of the united states lol

True, but as in any political race, its always perceived lesser of 2 evils.

[Uncle Punk]

Unless you are running for president of the united states lol

Every president meets the minimum requirements. No first term president has ever held the position before so how is anyone "qualified" for the position? What criteria beyond what is already established do you suggest we add? I have one, prior honorary military experience.

[max power]

What criteria beyond what is already established do you suggest we add? I have one, prior honorary military experience.

I like that. God knows it would be a different political landscape if you had to have military experience to run for office.

[Cypress]

prior honorary military experience.

I like it. I think it's time we put that on the ballot.

[mhallam85]

I like it. I think it's time we put that on the ballot.

Agreed and this thread is awesome!

[cg2112]

Being the leftwing nut that I am, I'm all for affirmative action. Just different affirmative action. Quotas (which I'm pretty sure are gone now anyway) and hiring initiatives don't work and certainly do nothing to help ease racial tensions.

The fact of the matter is, it's still a huge advantage to be white in this country (except for at McDonald's. They don't hire very many white people, and the few that they do have, they force to wear ties all day). You can see this pretty much every day if you work in a corporate office in Cincinnati (which is almost half black now) or in Dayton (which is 40% black).

The problem isn't hiring policies or racists in the workplace, the problem is way more institutionalized than that. And I know everyone gets pissed off about government spending, but I really think that the solution is to throw more money at the problem. Improve schools in areas with large black populations, create better adult education programs, etc.

And I don't think that it's only the government who should be throwing money at the issue, either. Private corporations should be doing the same thing. Case in point: Anyone ever go into the Roselawn Kroger before they closed it (which is another issue altogether, I won't get into that here)? The place was a shit hole. Broken carts, shitty parking lot, poorly maintained building. Meanwhile, cut over to West Hamilton, and the Kroger is awesome. Great condition, very well maintained, brand new carts rotated in on a regular basis. When the world tells you "this is what you deserve" from birth, just how motivated are you going to be? Will you believe that you're even able to achieve?

I agree, affirmative action programs generally don't really do what they're supposed to, and should be ended. But not because we're even close to equal access and equal opportunity. They should be ended and replaced with long term impact, that gives everyone the tools to succeed from the get go.

[shittygsxr]

Being the leftwing nut that I am, I'm all for affirmative action. Just different affirmative action. Quotas (which I'm pretty sure are gone now anyway) and hiring initiatives don't work and certainly do nothing to help ease racial tensions.

The fact of the matter is, it's still a huge advantage to be white in this country (except for at McDonald's. They don't hire very many white people, and the few that they do have, they force to wear ties all day). You can see this pretty much every day if you work in a corporate office in Cincinnati (which is almost half black now) or in Dayton (which is 40% black).

The problem isn't hiring policies or racists in the workplace, the problem is way more institutionalized than that. And I know everyone gets pissed off about government spending, but I really think that the solution is to throw more money at the problem. Improve schools in areas with large black populations, create better adult education programs, etc.

And I don't think that it's only the government who should be throwing money at the issue, either. Private corporations should be doing the same thing. Case in point: Anyone ever go into the Roselawn Kroger before they closed it (which is another issue altogether, I won't get into that here)? The place was a shit hole. Broken carts, shitty parking lot, poorly maintained building. Meanwhile, cut over to West Hamilton, and the Kroger is awesome. Great condition, very well maintained, brand new carts rotated in on a regular basis. When the world tells you "this is what you deserve" from birth, just how motivated are you going to be? Will you believe that you're even able to achieve?

I agree, affirmative action programs generally don't really do what they're supposed to, and should be ended. But not because we're even close to equal access and equal opportunity. They should be ended and replaced with long term impact, that gives everyone the tools to succeed from the get go.

I have some black people that I need you to call and tell them they aren't allowed to be successful. Most hoods were nice at one time, the people that live there made it that way. Stop making excuses and it is amazing how easy life can be.

[cg2112]

I have some black people that I need you to call and tell them they aren't allowed to be successful. Most hoods were nice at one time, the people that live there made it that way. Stop making excuses and it is amazing how easy life can be.

Who said they weren't allowed to be successful?

Making excuses? You're theory, that blacks are just lazy, may be easier, but it ignores, well, pretty much everything about our society.

[InyaAzz]

Affirmative Action allows me to be UP's ride bitch.

[shittygsxr]

Who said they weren't allowed to be successful?

Making excuses? You're theory, that blacks are just lazy, may be easier, but it ignores, well, pretty much everything about our society.

Nope I need you to call my black friends and tell them they are not allowed to be successful because their kroger sucked. It's not black white it's rich poor. Your assumption that blacks need help is ignorant and displays your lack of faith in them.