Disclaimer Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 what happens when you're called in? what's the protocol? who approaches you? how do they approach you? what questions do they ask?and why are you automatically assuming I'll be unsafe/ landing on roads?parking lots maybe, but not roads.and what are the odds I'll see a plane? I don't see planes out here hardly at all. why would they assume my little chopper is unsafe?Magz is gonna play the "this isn't the droid pilot you're looking for"-card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 (edited) I like this guys idea. That segway gyroscope technology can be used for a lot of things and exploited.As long as you don't go over any cliffs...yeah, you should be just fine.What? Too soon? Edited November 10, 2010 by Cypress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 ??The owner of the company, Jimi Heselden, died in a Segway crash early on Sunday. He had taken over control of the company earlier in the year. While riding the vehicle, he accidentally steered it over a 30 foot cliff and into a river while he was riding on his estate. Although the exact cause of his death is still unknown at this time, it is ironic that the man who bought the company died riding the vehicle.http://news.spreadit.org/segway-owner-dies-segway-inventor-james-heselden-jimi-heselden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 O..that sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 I saw a guy flying one of those powered parachute things today right off of 33 near Canal Winchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 This guy was able to do it with a 440cc engine.http://thehottestgadgets.com/2008/07/vertipod-personal-flying-platform-001176I like this guys idea. That segway gyroscope technology can be used for a lot of things and exploited.actually the segway wasn't developed to be a segway. DEKA developed the balancing technology for other purposes and made the segway to offset development costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 NASA VTOL Personal Air Vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) A friend that lives practically in my back yard (ok, more like 1/2 mile or so across the field) has an "experimental" aircraft. He said the rules are fairly lax on the aircraft itself. I'll try to remember to ask him about flight regs. I do know that he recently flew it about 600 miles away and back. Edited November 11, 2010 by jporter12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 A friend that lives practically in my back yard (ok, more like 1/2 mile or so across the field) has an "experimental" aircraft. He said the rules are fairly lax on the aircraft itself. I'll try to remember to ask him about fight regs. I do know that he recently flew it about 600 miles away and back.Why would you ask a pilot about fight regs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Why would you ask a pilot about fight regs?So that I know what way is legal to kick your ass. I fixed it, btw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 So that I know what way is legal to kick your ass. I fixed it, btw... I'd like to see you try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander52408 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I work in law enforcement but have very little to offer on the subject their is a tiny airstrip in my jurisdiction but the only dealings I’ve had with it was "Deer vs. Airplane" landing crash (the deer lost....BIG TIME). When I dealt with that their was all kinds of extra paperwork due to the FAA. I would recommend starting with their Ohio office or "google" it. Hope that helps some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 thanks al, Would you approach a helicopter such as this if it had just landed in a grocery store parking lot? If so, what would you say to the operator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 thanks al, Would you approach a helicopter such as this if it had just landed in a grocery store parking lot? If so, what would you say to the operator?I envision you walking with groceries back to your bird and swat/fbi/cia/faa/homeland security swarm in with black suburbans and guns drawn. couple of jets do low altitude fly bys. you drop your grocery bags and shit your pants. nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I envision you walking with groceries back to your bird and swat/fbi/cia/faa/homeland security swarm in with black suburbans and guns drawn. couple of jets do low altitude fly bys. you drop your grocery bags and shit your pants. nice.I could just see this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I envision you walking with groceries back to your bird and swat/fbi/cia/faa/homeland security swarm in with black suburbans and guns drawn. couple of jets do low altitude fly bys. you drop your grocery bags and shit your pants. nice. :lol: awesome mental picture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Just make sure when you have your first flight somewhere, have a gopro so we can see the madness that I am positive will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 thanks al, Would you approach a helicopter such as this if it had just landed in a grocery store parking lot? If so, what would you say to the operator?I watched a helicopter pilot get arrested for landing in an open field inside the Columbus city limits. Columbus already had a law for that. The owner of the land called the police. Pilot arrested. FAA called. Because of that one incident back in the early 90s, most of the smaller towns around Columbus quickly passed or considered new laws to limit VTOL landing inside their city limits. They didn't have such laws before.I have an aircraft airframe and powerplant license (inactive). I was at a small airport in Miami showing a pilot friend things to watch out for on his engine, before we went for a flight. An FAA dude walked over and wanted to know what I was doing. Wrong answers, and I would have been in trouble. I didn't have the license yet, at that time. I told the truth, I already knew exactly what my limits were. A pilot is allowed to inspect his engine, and not much more. I think the FAA dude was having a slow day. They don't see people or pilots pop the engine cover/panel and look around very often, I guess.Rules are different for home built aircraft built by the pilot. Mostly depends on how and where you get the engine from. And certain other parts as well. It varies. It's all about air flight safety, yours and everyone elses.If I remember right... An odd rule about helicopters is that the pilot is allowed to land almost anywhere in an emergency, and then repair almost anything himself that was broken. So if he's stuck in the out back somewhere, he can fix it and go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJ Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Go out and get some real info about aviation and pilot training, and then head to the airport to learn how to fly. You're probably 50% likely (just my SWAG) to kill yourself flying something you build from scratch without any training. For a helicopter, I'm putting chance for a fatality on the first flight at about 90-95%. You'd probably want the LEOs to know, so they could get the fire dept there, and set up a landing zone for the EMS helicopter.Besides the FAR/AIM, which is painful to read, your best resource is probably the EAA (Experimental Aircraft Assoc.) www.eaa.org. Training for ultralights is harder to get now because the FAA f'ed everything up in that area with the sport pilot regulations, wanting to control two seat ultralights. There are small helicopter kits out there, but they're not cheap. Lots of high precision moving parts. IIRC the rule for off airport landings is that you can land anywhere where it's not prohibited by local laws, provided you don't pose a risk to anyone on the ground. 'course in our fear-mongering post 911 world, everyone's afraid of their own shadow, and light aircraft are seen by the ignorami (and the idiot-operated TSA) as terrorist weapons until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 IIRC the rule for off airport landings is that you can land anywhere where it's not prohibited by local laws, provided you don't pose a risk to anyone on the ground. 'course in our fear-mongering post 911 world, everyone's afraid of their own shadow, and light aircraft are seen by the ignorami (and the idiot-operated TSA) as terrorist weapons until proven otherwise.ha, thanks.I'm not looking for a kit though, I'm an engineer at heart, and if I don't design and build it myself, then I won't be happy with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 ha, thanks.I'm not looking for a kit though, I'm an engineer at heart, and if I don't design and build it myself, then I won't be happy with it.If you dont read the rules by the people that write them instead of coming on a motorcycle forum for hot air opinions, it doesnt matter what you build as your ass will be dead, fined or in jail the first time you try and fly/land somewhere you shouldnt. If your an actual engineer, then you should understand spec sheets and should sure as hell understand that it doesnt matter what people on here say, its the written and published rules you need to read/learn/memorize/and follow. For some reason you cant seem to get that through your thick head and keep asking what if, what if, what if, Its pretty effing aggravating to be honest and it appears that something bad needs to happen for you to actually understand. Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Disclaimer Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Better use for a Katana than wrecking it in Coshocton.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GulHMmrt-o&feature=player_embeddedSky Bike is Half Hang Glider, Half Flying Motorcycle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Its pretty effing aggravating to be honest and it appears that something bad needs to happen for you to actually understand. Sad but true.wow...I think you are getting awfully worked up about a pet project of mine in the concept phase. I realize there are regulations, but i'm not concerned with them at the moment, I'm more concerned with physics, those are the laws that are most pressing. the FAA and I may have a run-in but I can't imagine it's going to be on my first flight, or on any of my test flights. (I'm pretty much in the middle of BFE here, as likwid, and scott can attest)The only encounters I MIGHT have are with sheriffs dept, jefferson PD, and OSHP. (assuming they spot my little device and ask me about it)so I was asking for their procedure. standard and personal.I appreciate all the input you've given, but if it pisses you off so bad, go to another f*cking thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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