ohdaho Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-J-XX-Prototype.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 i have 3 on backorder. they're stuck in customs, along with my green lasers and lolex.it was only about tree fitty, shipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 hey!! guess who funded that one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Here's a video and article in Wired Danger Room about it:http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/dont-panic-chinas-new-stealth-jet-takes-to-the-air/Looks too large and too heavy to me. It's a prototype. It reminds me a bit of the big YF-23 prototype. We'll see what comes next. I've read that the stealth wasn't carried over to the rear aspect. Meaning it's visible from behind, but not so much from the front. And yes, the major components of the F-22 are probably missing. Vectoring, advanced avionics and comms, etc. Still, it's new and much better than previous designs.While we're waiting, check out the mach 6 US think tank design that's alive again:Darpa BlackSwifthttp://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/01/htv-3-image2.jpgBtw, now a days a "stealth" requires low observables in microwave, visible, infrared, ultraviolet, millimeter wave, acoustic, and other stuff... Not so easy to do for anyone. Edited January 13, 2011 by ReconRat add link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzer Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Looks like they forgot something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gen3flygirl Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 oh dear lord I want !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 An F22 copy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggO Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 That chinese G5 is nothing! We are already "flyin' high like a G6!"Sorry, just had to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 That chinese G5 is nothing! We are already "flyin' high like a G6!"Sorry, just had to do it. Thanks for putting that song in my head now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohdaho Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 And yes, the major components of the F-22 are probably missing. Vectoring, advanced avionics and comms, etc. Still, it's new and much better than previous designs.Yea the article mentioned that the rear stabilizers were probably just used to push initial flight test up. The avionics/comm on the F22 arent that advanced. The F35 has it beat by light years.This J-20 isnt exactly an F22 copy like someone mentioned, its potentially hands down a better aircraft. We'll have to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Rule #482 of War Strategy and espionage:Before using advanced weaponry, have countermeasures developed for it.Ie. If you build a better mouse, you better have a better trap too.This Chinese plane isn't really stealth. The cake is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohdaho Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Rule #482 of War Strategy and espionage:Before using advanced weaponry, have countermeasures developed for it.Ie. If you build a better mouse, you better have a better trap too.This Chinese plane isn't really stealth. The cake is a lie.Some in the industry would say stealth is a dying requirement anyway. Advances in ECM and ECCM have limited the days of stealth. The Chinese will know if our jets are coming...they just need a jet capable of intercepting the 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 why, exactly, are we to believe the assertions of some web site about the superiority of this aircraft over the F22 and/or F35 JSF?I'm not saying it is, or it isn't, but the explanations I read were based on visual observations, and a whole lot of speculation and assumptions...Yes, part of my skepticism is rooted in my American bias and a long-fostered disbelief that anyone could possibly out do America; but even without that bias, I didn't read any compelling PROOF of anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohdaho Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 why, exactly, are we to believe the assertions of some web site about the superiority of this aircraft over the F22 and/or F35 JSF?I'm not saying it is, or it isn't, but the explanations I read were based on visual observations, and a whole lot of speculation and assumptions...Yes, part of my skepticism is rooted in my American bias and a long-fostered disbelief that anyone could possibly out do America; but even without that bias, I didn't read any compelling PROOF of anything...Fair observation. But thats how people (organizations) reverse engineer a lot of things...its esp easy with aircraft.Aerospace engineering isnt as difficult as most people make it out to be (Rocket science isnt THAT hard). By looking at the physical characteristics of an aircraft, engineers can tell quite easily what its capable of. All the physical characteristics of an aircraft can differentiate its flight envelope quite easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Are those Typhoon chase planes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Three have been destroyed in parking accidents. :AsianDrivers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Some in the industry would say stealth is a dying requirement anyway. Advances in ECM and ECCM have limited the days of stealth. The Chinese will know if our jets are coming...they just need a jet capable of intercepting the 22.Word is already out that the advanced intercept and targeting radar suite of the F22, when scaled up to the larger radome and installed on an F-15, can see just about anything, stealth included, no exception for a J-20.Chances are good that a newer AWACS or AEGIS rig will see everything just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 So when can I pick one up from walmart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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