Senate Bill 5

[RFM]

This sunday don't forget to set your clocks back 50 years...

[rubbersidedown]

We need to start the cutting at the bloated top.Kasic would be a good place to start...how much did we spend on his porkbarrel home security upgrades?If it's over a penny,it's too much,we already have a governors mansion...use it or go back to legal thiefing on wallstreet.

Good point, I think mose people are unaware of the $300,000 we spent on Kasic's private residence since he refused to live in the Govenor's Mansion.

[DAC]

Good point, I think mose people are unaware of the $300,000 we spent on Kasic's private residence since he refused to live in the Govenor's Mansion.

Yeah, and most people are also unaware of the tens of millions soon to be spent on a referendum campaign and vote.

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

Or the people he gave raises to in his staff.

The amount of money changing hands will not change only instead of going to the middle class working man. It will go to the higher ups.

[Disclaimer]

Or the people he gave raises to in his staff.

The amount of money changing hands will not change only instead of going to the middle class working man. It will go to the higher ups.

You mean those hard-working people that deserve it - in front of their computers playing solitaire and watching porn. That's tough work compared to what you have to do Parks.

I'm just slightly getting by on $174,000/yr. And I'm not the only one.

GOP Rep: I'm 'Struggling' On My $174K Salary (VIDEO)

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/gop-rep-im-struggling-on-my-174k-salary-video.php

I need all the breaks I can get. And the only way to get them is to make sure you poor people don't have rights to organize on your wages, and if you do, I need legal recourse. There may be many of you, but I have enough money to put you all in prison and pay other poor people, who'll march to the beat of my golden drum, to watch over you disobedients.

Edited April 1, 2011 by JRMMiii

[ReconRat]

Just quoting this for posterity. I saw it in a sci-fi book I'm reading...

"You can't have the poor voting themselves more welfare money. That's economic suicide."

edit: reading back a page or two... You know what? Working for a state school isn't much fun either. We don't get any raises at all, ever. And what we do get we have to qualify for to get, and it's actually a portion of the cost of living increase. Any other place I've worked at, you'd get a cost of living increase, and then separately a increase in wages if you were doing a good job. State jobs suck. Basically we all lose money every year, earning less and less per inflation... The only way out is to quit.

Edited April 1, 2011 by ReconRat

[rubbersidedown]

Shame on the spin doctors

Shame on Governors Walker and Kasich

Shame on the politicians and

Shame on us.

Why?

We have allowed the powers that be to paint our public sector employees in a bad light and we drank the Kool-Aid! Police Officers, Firemen, Teachers, Corrections Officers and others are NOT the enemy. They are not bad people and they are not pawn to serve as feathers in someone’s cost saving cap. We’re too busy bickering amongst ourselves to see the truth.

THEY ARE PATRIOTS AND HEROS!!!

Patriots because many have served in the military to fight for and defend our great nation. Heroes because they sacrifice much for the betterment of our society with so little reward. Sure we can come up with stories about this guy or the other but those are the 1%ers. Don’t let that sway your view or the other 99% like Ben’s brother or the ones posting here. My hat goes off to the firefighters, policemen and teachers here and everywhere.

Policemen never know what will happen at a routine traffic stop. They could end up getting shot at any time. Firefighter attack fire and hazardous spills on a daily basis Scooter pasted about a friend being beaten and sent to the hospital and there is no way I would want to deal with 25 adolescents for 8 hours a day!

There are many good comments both for and against this bill and a wonderful debate but what we fail to discuss does the end justify the means? Do we really what to crush our heroes under a political thumb to save a few dollars in tax money? I read many post that say things like “I wouldn’t want your job” or “I’m not saying they’re overpaid”, well let’s call that to the front line. Would you support them with your vote or your pocketbook? If not it is empty rhetoric. I will and have support them with both. Police Fire and school levies in my district receive a HELL YES! on my ballot. You get what you pay for 90% of the time. There is a reason that I picked to live where I do. As like most of you I considered the quality of the school district and the crime…Hmmm.

Have we really become that Chinatized? Do we always want more, more, more for less, less, less? There is a breaking point for this lifestyle and we need to consider that. (Have we thought about how this will increase short term costs, quality of service and whether these employees are under or overpaid?)

What we need to do is look behind the curtain of SB5…I’ll post on that later.

BTW - I’m a salaried corporate employee.

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

^^^^ I like this guy

[drew95gt]

Shame on the spin doctors

Shame on Governors Walker and Kasich

Shame on the politicians and

Shame on us.

Why?

We have allowed the powers that be to paint our public sector employees in a bad light and we drank the Kool-Aid! Police Officers, Firemen, Teachers, Corrections Officers and others are NOT the enemy. They are not bad people and they are not pawn to serve as feathers in someone’s cost saving cap. We’re too busy bickering amongst ourselves to see the truth.

THEY ARE PATRIOTS AND HEROS!!!

Patriots because many have served in the military to fight for and defend our great nation. Heroes because they sacrifice much for the betterment of our society with so little reward. Sure we can come up with stories about this guy or the other but those are the 1%ers. Don’t let that sway your view or the other 99% like Ben’s brother or the ones posting here. My hat goes off to the firefighters, policemen and teachers here and everywhere.

Policemen never know what will happen at a routine traffic stop. They could end up getting shot at any time. Firefighter attack fire and hazardous spills on a daily basis Scooter pasted about a friend being beaten and sent to the hospital and there is no way I would want to deal with 25 adolescents for 8 hours a day!

There are many good comments both for and against this bill and a wonderful debate but what we fail to discuss does the end justify the means? Do we really what to crush our heroes under a political thumb to save a few dollars in tax money? I read many post that say things like “I wouldn’t want your job” or “I’m not saying they’re overpaid”, well let’s call that to the front line. Would you support them with your vote or your pocketbook? If not it is empty rhetoric. I will and have support them with both. Police Fire and school levies in my district receive a HELL YES! on my ballot. You get what you pay for 90% of the time. There is a reason that I picked to live where I do. As like most of you I considered the quality of the school district and the crime…Hmmm.

Have we really become that Chinatized? Do we always want more, more, more for less, less, less? There is a breaking point for this lifestyle and we need to consider that. (Have we thought about how this will increase short term costs, quality of service and whether these employees are under or overpaid?)

What we need to do is look behind the curtain of SB5…I’ll post on that later.

BTW - I’m a salaried corporate employee.

Well said man!! I am of the opinion that teachers, police, firefighters, corrections officers, etc are grossly underpaid for the important job they do. As a parent, I want the absolute BEST education my girls can get from the best teachers out there, to me there is NO more important job. Police, firefighters, and medical professionals rank a close second. From my own experience as a medical professional at a county hospital the cuts being made have affected me in several ways. First was "Obamacare" ...which resulted in what equalled a nearly 10% cut in my pay in order to "prepare for the inevitable changes" that will happen once it takes effect...now with SB5, my employer contribution to OPERS will go down 2% while mine will go up 2% and that is just a "guesstimate" for right now as it could be more. So as it stands I am making less money now than when I started my career 5 years ago...so much for cost of living increase. Keep this crap up and I will be working for free before too long. /end rant

[Beegreenstrings]

All I can say is WTF!

[fireman_343]

^^^^ I like this guy

I like that guy too!! I couldn't have said it better!

[drc32-0]

Or the people he gave raises to in his staff.

The amount of money changing hands will not change only instead of going to the middle class working man. It will go to the higher ups.

This is just the beginning..."privatization" is nothing more than a euphemism for redistibution of wealth.The people that do the work will make less on either pay and/or benifits while someone in Kasich's circle will make millions providing cheaper labor to the state of Ohio.We will see only a relatively small change in costs.

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

This is just the beginning..."privatization" is nothing more than a euphemism for redistibution of wealth.The people that do the work will make less on either pay and/or benifits while someone in Kasich's circle will make millions providing cheaper labor to the state of Ohio.We will see only a relatively small change in costs.

Quoted for truth.

[RFM]

Drew95GT- How did the so-called Obamacare affect you personally? Not trying to be arguementative, but looking for your insight. How did a bill that comes into affect in 2014 (maybe) cause a current reduction in salary?

[shittygsxr]

Well said man!! I am of the opinion that teachers, police, firefighters, corrections officers, etc are grossly underpaid for the important job they do. As a parent, I want the absolute BEST education my girls can get from the best teachers out there, to me there is NO more important job. Police, firefighters, and medical professionals rank a close second. From my own experience as a medical professional at a county hospital the cuts being made have affected me in several ways. First was "Obamacare" ...which resulted in what equalled a nearly 10% cut in my pay in order to "prepare for the inevitable changes" that will happen once it takes effect...now with SB5, my employer contribution to OPERS will go down 2% while mine will go up 2% and that is just a "guesstimate" for right now as it could be more. So as it stands I am making less money now than when I started my career 5 years ago...so much for cost of living increase. Keep this crap up and I will be working for free before too long. /end rant

What kind of medical professional are you?

So if you contribute 12% to OPERS instead of 10% (given that you don't pay into social security) and your employers contribution drops from 14% to an even 12% that is going to break you?

If there anybody on this board in the private sector that contributes 10% of their pay into retirement and gets matched 14%?

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

Garret if I had money you would be my financial advisor

[drew95gt]

Drew95GT- How did the so-called Obamacare affect you personally? Not trying to be arguementative, but looking for your insight. How did a bill that comes into affect in 2014 (maybe) cause a current reduction in salary?

It affects the hospital I work for due to speculation of payment reduction of our large Medicare and Medicaid population as well as nervousness regarding all the new red tape involved plus the implementation of Stricklands hospital franchise tax which will hit our hospital hard. I lost 30 percent of my weekend pay...I used to get time and a half on weekends now it's 20 percent plus shift differential...so about 5,000 a year pay cut because I have to work every other weekend. SB 5 like I posted takes 2 percent more of my pre tax pay for the exact same Opers benefits I was getting before with 2 percent less from the hospital.

[drew95gt]

What kind of medical professional are you?

So if you contribute 12% to OPERS instead of 10% (given that you don't pay into social security) and your employers contribution drops from 14% to an even 12% that is going to break you?

If there anybody on this board in the private sector that contributes 10% of their pay into retirement and gets matched 14%?

I'm a Registered Respiratory Therapist...I work at Memorial Hospital of Union County and Grant Medical Center in Columbus. The 10/14 was one of the reasons I like my job so much...why r u trying to downplay it like it's a bad thing i get matched 14 percent? I don't care what the private sector pays...I work in it too at Grant. The point is it is bullshit they are going after state employees like they are.

[kawi kid]

What kind of medical professional are you?

So if you contribute 12% to OPERS instead of 10% (given that you don't pay into social security) and your employers contribution drops from 14% to an even 12% that is going to break you?

If there anybody on this board in the private sector that contributes 10% of their pay into retirement and gets matched 14%?

Is there anyone in the private sector that can afford to contribute 10% to their own retirement?

[Disclaimer]

Is there anyone in the private sector that can afford to contribute 10% to their own retirement?

Is that a rhetorical question?

[Mykill]

It affects the hospital I work for due to speculation of payment reduction of our large Medicare and Medicaid population as well as nervousness regarding all the new red tape involved plus the implementation of Stricklands hospital franchise tax which will hit our hospital hard.

It seems anyone who gets medical care is Medicare/caid.

BTW time and half just for working a weekend is retarded. You guys hiring? Ill work weekends and Im a RT.

[Mykill]

We work 3 12's so I'm assuming it's time and a half as incentive to work weekends. One of my jobs pays extra $2 an hour for weekends but time and a half is wicked

[Mykill]

That was an assumption from my past experiences. I was not speaking for Drew.

Ive worked with some state employees at my past job who would get mandated to stay the next shift because of call offs....somehow when they didnt want to work they had FMLA or would go by seniority so it would be the same people being forced to stay. There were too many people working for the workloads anyways.

IP (I have no idea what you do or if you work for the state just inferring from your post) did you choose to work for the state knowing that was part of the job? You still get paid OT if it is past your 40 hours (assuming it is).

Edited April 3, 2011 by Mykill

[shittygsxr]

I'm a Registered Respiratory Therapist...I work at Memorial Hospital of Union County and Grant Medical Center in Columbus. The 10/14 was one of the reasons I like my job so much...why r u trying to downplay it like it's a bad thing i get matched 14 percent? I don't care what the private sector pays...I work in it too at Grant. The point is it is bullshit they are going after state employees like they are.

State employee here too actually my wife,a nurse, made about 30k more for the same job when she left mt carmel and went to osu. You are just salty that your gravy train with biscuit wheels is coming to an end.

for the rest of you guys take a look at the police and fire retirement plans and your thoughts on this subject will change.

[rubbersidedown]

What kind of medical professional are you?

So if you contribute 12% to OPERS instead of 10% (given that you don't pay into social security) and your employers contribution drops from 14% to an even 12% that is going to break you?

If there anybody on this board in the private sector that contributes 10% of their pay into retirement and gets matched 14%?

This is not meant as a cut on anyone but just a thought…

Why is it that we are so quick to attack the compensation of other middle class workers? Is it because we are familiar with our pay scales and therefore we have strong opinions on what we feel that they should get paid? Or is this the Kool-Aid given to us from the powers-that-be?

I think that it is the Kool-Aid. A common “Art of War” technique is to weaken your adversaries by pitting them against themselves. If we are so busy fighting amongst ourselves, whether it be white collar vs blue collar, private vs public, or anything else we cannot see or fight against the real waste fraud and abuse.

Has anyone seen http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2011-03-31-ceo-pay-2010.htm? (CEO pay jumped 27% while we struggle to pay the bills) Is anyone aware that a CEO in the United States earns on average 50% more than a CEO in Europe for a comparable size and valued company? Hey, I have no problem with people being rewarded for their hard work and level of education or even with receiving bonuses but let’s recognize that there is a limit for fair compensation for these individuals. When there bonuses exceed their base pay or come when the company is failing there is a HUGE problem (AIG, Leman Bros. Bank of America, Chevrolet, Chrysler, etc).

But we are told that the problem is the unions? Leaves me scratching my head.