Rod38um Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Yep, you're right.... lets just keep taxing the hell out of the productive........ pour money into the pockets of the legislators who will tie them up in red tape, fee's and other expenses............ I'm sure once they recognize that profit is not important...... they'll start manufacturing in this country again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I agree with SB5 in theory. Unionized public workers, well that is a different beast than any private sector union, so yes, their abilities to increase their monetary burden on taxpayers has to be controlled as does their collective bargaining rights. But at the same time you cannot have the final say in negotiations coming from one side or the other. It needs to decided by a 3rd party totally arbitrary.Escalating health care costs effect those benefit costs and retirement package costs. I think had the state bothered to take some time to work this out instead of manipulating and strong arming they could be sitting on a doable senate bill right now. Instead all they have done is wakened the beast, caused the state to spend even more money (the petition and election cost) while facing almost certain defeat of SB5.Kasich was voted in, partly due to the dems in Washington and partly because Strickland and the stunts he was pulling in Columbus. Kasich's biggest problem is his mouth. That and the attitude brought with it has led to this fiasco and will probably continue to get him in trouble while costing our state more unnecessary expenditures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Sorry to burst your bubble but not all of us union folk supported nafta, nor do we all vote democrat. Some of us can think for ourselves. I agreed with Perot back then and still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I find it humorous that union folks are bashing non-American labor when they wholly supported NAFTA.I find it humerous that union folks negotiate by threatening to walk off of the job rather than using their terribly high salaries to purchase stock and use their voting rights as shareholders to create the change, instead of demanding it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBWalker Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 i hate young repubicans. theyre so arrogant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Yep, you're right.... lets just keep taxing the hell out of the productive........ pour money into the pockets of the legislators who will tie them up in red tape, fee's and other expenses............ I'm sure once they recognize that profit is not important...... they'll start manufacturing in this country again! Where did that post come from?I agreed with tax breaks if they created good jobs HERE.I can't see giving tax breaks to create more socialist jobs,but then again,I'm not a hypocritical socialist republican.Why do you choose the China model over the German model?I noticed you side stepped defending Kasich for his wall street incompetence or crimes.I'd appreciate it if you could give me some insight as to why anyone would vote for one of the morally bankrupt bankers that did more damage to this country than Bin Laden.I can understand voting for a republican,but not that piece of shit.Kasich and the banking industry are the ones that destroyed our economy,not unions. Edited August 31, 2011 by drc32-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 The hypocrisy is thick in here.Have you ever met a republican that is not a hypocrite?Everyone I have ever met thinks that they should be living the good life and everyone else should be their slave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphy Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Everyone I have ever met thinks that they should be living the good life and everyone else should be their slave.well you have not meet me or else you could not say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I noticed you side stepped defending Kasich for his wall street incompetence or crimes.I'd appreciate it if you could give me some insight as to why anyone would vote for one of the morally bankrupt bankers that did more damage to this country than Bin Laden.I can understand voting for a republican,but not that piece of shit.Kasich and the banking industry are the ones that destroyed our economy,not unions.Uh.... no....... the banking industry played a part. Bad legislation played a part. A tax system that favors foreign manufacturers played a part and yes, unions played a part.Why do Liberals always have to demonize anyone who has more than them? The cause of the recession goes farther and deeper than a handfull of bankers. The housing bubble actually started with Clintons repeal of the Glass Steagal act. In 1933 the Glass-Steagall Act was made into law and it forbid the mixing of mortgage finance with other aspects of financing. In short, it required mortgage holders to retain the mortgage they wrote by making it illegal to bundle them and sell them as one investment. In 1999 Bill Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall act and made it legal for banks to bundle high risk mortgages they knew would not be repaid and sell them to investers. Under pressure from liberals like Barney Frank, Banking institutions like Fannie and Freddie started writing mortgages to previously un-qualified applicants.Under extreme political pressure from Frank and others combined with the lure of easy money......they needed more mortgages to bundle so they relaxed their requirements on who was eligible knowing they wouldnt be stuck with them..... some un-knowing investor would take the hit..When forclosures started happening in mass...... suddenly they cant find a buyer for those bundled cut rate mortgages..... The housing bubble popped!!! here we are....... so..... If you really want to pick out one guy who happened to work in the industry for a short time and put all the blame on him........well....... never mind........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Have you ever met a republican that is not a hypocrite?Everyone I have ever met thinks that they should be living the good life and everyone else should be their slave.Hi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyco1 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Uh.... no....... the banking industry played a part. Bad legislation played a part. A tax system that favors foreign manufacturers played a part and yes, unions played a part.Why do Liberals always have to demonize anyone who has more than them? The cause of the recession goes farther and deeper than a handfull of bankers. The housing bubble actually started with Clintons repeal of the Glass Steagal act. In 1933 the Glass-Steagall Act was made into law and it forbid the mixing of mortgage finance with other aspects of financing. In short, it required mortgage holders to retain the mortgage they wrote by making it illegal to bundle them and sell them as one investment. In 1999 Bill Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall act and made it legal for banks to bundle high risk mortgages they knew would not be repaid and sell them to investers. Under pressure from liberals like Barney Frank, Banking institutions like Fannie and Freddie started writing mortgages to previously un-qualified applicants.Under extreme political pressure from Frank and others combined with the lure of easy money......they needed more mortgages to bundle so they relaxed their requirements on who was eligible knowing they wouldnt be stuck with them..... some un-knowing investor would take the hit..When forclosures started happening in mass...... suddenly they cant find a buyer for those bundled cut rate mortgages..... The housing bubble popped!!! here we are....... so..... If you really want to pick out one guy who happened to work in the industry for a short time and put all the blame on him........well....... never mind........I didn't know Phil Gramm®, Jim Leach® and Tom Bliley® were liberals, especially since Gramm was McCain's economic adviser during his presidential run.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Acthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Vote_1999.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I didn't know Phil Gramm®, Jim Leach® and Tom Bliley® were liberals, especially since Gramm was McCain's economic adviser during his presidential run.I didnt say they were...... the point was that more than one thing has played a part in our current economy. There is plenty of blame to go around. Also if you want to fix it...... we are going to have to have a multi-faceted aproach and things have to get worse before they will get better. There is no way around it. We must compete on a world stage and we are far away from being able to. Just to be competitive we must increase the cost of foreign goods. Places like China are slowly demanding better wage and benefits packages. Citizens are demanding more environmental restrictions. That helps but we also need to adjust our import/export taxes and fees to bring up the cost of their products. That means inflation. Very high inflation. We need our manufactures to be able to build a product cheaper than it can be imported and sold here. That also means that many sectors will have to take jobs for $10 per hour instead of $30 per hour. Unions are not going to like it but is it better to have millions working for $10 or nobody working at all?We are just seeing the beginning of the hard times ahead.................. It will get worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 (edited) Sapphy and Kawi Kid...I hope I do meet you and you change my mind.Maybe I just met the wrong republicans.Rod...it looks like we found something to agree on,"nevermind..."Enjoy your union negotiated benifits.I'm enjoying mine.Also,you're right,it will get worse,but dragging other American workers down isn't going to stop it. Edited September 3, 2011 by drc32-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Also,you're right,it will get worse,but dragging other American workers down isn't going to stop it.Nope, the "draggging down" of workers is just an unavoidable, unfortunate consequence...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 American tale: Workers side against their economic interestshttp://blog.nj.com/njv_john_farmer/2011/09/american_tale_working_class_si.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 American tale: Workers side against their economic interestshttp://blog.nj.com/njv_john_farmer/2011/09/american_tale_working_class_si.htmlUnion propaganda........ No matter how much of it you throw out there, the simple fact remains that if you run business overseas with high operating costs......... the average Joe loses his job and our economy suffers. Each time you vote democrat, thats what you're asking for!Once upon a time we had a strong need for unions, they became way too strong, took way too much and became too politically active. They have hurt our economy and the only way back will be with smaller government, less spending, a more business friendly environment and if unions want to be part of it, they better embrace big business as the essential host that they are because as more time goes by..... more and more of those union members are collecting unemployment while some Chinese man just started a new job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Union propaganda........ No matter how much of it you throw out there, the simple fact remains that if you run business overseas with high operating costs......... the average Joe loses his job and our economy suffers. Each time you vote democrat, thats what you're asking for!Once upon a time we had a strong need for unions, they became way too strong, took way too much and became too politically active. They have hurt our economy and the only way back will be with smaller government, less spending, a more business friendly environment and if unions want to be part of it, they better embrace big business as the essential host that they are because as more time goes by..... more and more of those union members are collecting unemployment while some Chinese man just started a new job!Brought to you by someone who is or will be receiving union negotiated benifits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 brought to you by someone who is or will be receiving union negotiated benifits.yep :d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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