redkow97 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 I should have read all of what I missed, rather than posting after reviewing only the "last" page.Casper beat me to at least half my point. Only to an extent. Not completely. Nobody knows for a fact where we came from. Not once science book will tell you "this is how it all happened". They all say scientists theorize this is how it might have happened. Remember the whole "the earth is flat" vs "the earth is round"? Funny, it ended up being oblong. Or whether Pluto is a planet or not? Fact is, we don't know. And we may never know where or why humans came into existence. That's part of the fun though, isn't it?I'll even take it one step further and add that I have no scientific backing to suggest that creationists are explicitly wrong; I just think that more plausible theories have been proffered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 International flights leave Port Columbus multiple times a day. If you feel that strongly about it, maybe you should be on one.damn bro, if you want to ask me out on a date just do it, already! i'll let you know now, though, that i am going to say no because i am into chicks. but, i aint mad at ya, we can still be friends as long as you always keep in mind that there is no chance for us as a couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Ron Paul: I don't accept the theory of evolution http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/29/scitech/main20098876.shtmlRP was mentioned here too...When Republicans suddenly need government Faced with a natural disaster, Chris Christie brags of a strong response. But does the rest of his party get it? http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/08/29/christie_paul_fema Edited August 31, 2011 by JRMMiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) Dead at 49 because he couldn't afford insurance: Terrible fate of Ron Paul aide emerges hours after Republican said state shouldn't provide free health careKent Snyder died from complications caused by pneumonia because his premiums were too expensive49-year-old was Ron Paul's campaign manager during failed 2008 bid to secure Republican presidential nominationMr Paul told Tea Party debate people who did not have insurance should be left to fend for themselvesRetired physician also said churches should step in to care for those without coverRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037330/Ron-Pauls-campaign-manager-died-pneumonia-afford-health-insurance.html#ixzz1YM3Llp6XI dunno if that's good or bad or otherwise. Just ironic. Edited September 19, 2011 by JRMMiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 I think the "brutal" stance that Dr. Paul takes is pulled out of context too often. I can't speak explicitly for Dr. Paul, so I'll speak for myself:- we should take care of those who are UNABLE to take care of themselves; not those who had the means and opportunity, but failed to act.So if you're mentally or physically handicapped from birth, or at a young age, then of course we (as a civilized society) should help you to survive, and lead a productive life.But if you're in your 20's and haven't gotten your shit together enough to secure at least basic medical insurance, then I'm sorry, but you haven't done enough to help yourself. You haven't valued your own life, so you're going to have a hard time convincing me I should give a shit about you, when you clearly don't give a shit about yourself.Situations where people have insurance, but not enough of it are more difficult. I do sympathize with those lead healthy lives, and then find out that they have some kind of cancer, or heart disease. In those cases, I believe we should look to that person's past conduct to determine whether or not the government should help them out.From hereon out, I get pretty brutal. If you've paid your taxes, have a clean criminal record, and have been gainfully employed for any length of time, then you are deemed a "productive" member of society, and are worth treating and rehabilitating.If you have been in and out of jail, don't have health insurance, and never have, and have no meaningful steady work history, then you are unlikely to be anything but a burden on society. Sorry, but why would the government want to help you? I realize that's an impossible policy to legislate, which (I believe) is why Dr. Paul advocates the church's involvement in such situations. Allow charities to decide who the "good" people are, so that the government doesn't have to.Every life is precious, but some people enrich the lives of others, and some are a drain on others. The people in the former category probably wouldn't have trouble finding family and friends to cover their medical costs... The latter will look to Uncle Sam for a handout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 FEAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 FEARwould you care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 What about fresh out's? Ya know, the kids with liberal arts, communications, or some other worthless degree who are 'fresh out' of school, have $80k in school debt and can't get a job in their field and end up working at piercing pagoda @ the mall for minimum wage and no benefits? Or even if they do end up in their fields, they only make $30k a year, again, without benefits, and can barely afford renting + student loan debt, food and gas, let alone all the other essentials like healthcare or retirement?What about those people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 What about fresh out's? Ya know, the kids with liberal arts, communications, or some other worthless degree who are 'fresh out' of school, have $80k in school debt and can't get a job in their field and end up working at piercing pagoda @ the mall for minimum wage and no benefits? Or even if they do end up in their fields, they only make $30k a year, again, without benefits, and can barely afford renting + student loan debt, food and gas, let alone all the other essentials like healthcare or retirement?What about those people? I dont bring home much over 30 grand a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Do you have student loan debt? Besides, you have a government job... Which is the problem, right? Teachers, cops, fireman, public safety workers need to sacrifice like the rest of us.Parks, you shouldn't get a raise and we shouldn't pay for you to have health insurance on our taxpayer dime, amirite folks? Anyone want to tell that to Parks' face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 The funny part is, there are a shittonne of 'adults' that are in that exact position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Just what we need, people who can't afford to take care of themselves, having kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 would you care to elaborate?Nope, fear pretty much sums it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 So don't go to school learn a trade and make more then you would as a i.t. geek. Thats the problem with this country to many pussies don't want to work for there money. Stupid office monkey, go get your hands dirty and earn that money. To many people want paid top dollar for jobs that produce no tangible goods. Office jobs should pay 30k or less a year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler524 Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 So don't go to school learn a trade and make more then you would as a i.t. geek. Thats the problem with this country to many pussies don't want to work for there money. Stupid office monkey, go get your hands dirty and earn that money. To many people want paid top dollar for jobs that produce no tangible goods. Office jobs should pay 30k or less a year..So your saying as an engineer, I should only be making at most 30k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Do you produce tangible/ sellable things for the company you work for? Or do you work on project to make things "better" when you have no experience working with them in the first place. If you design parts that will make a product then you should earn what you earn. But if you simply are like the enginerds we have at my work that make educated guesses at how to fix problems on machines they know nothing about, then yes you are a waste of time and should earn 30k a year. I have little respect for most of my works enginerds only a very few are worth the money they make. And there "I am better then you cause your a factory worker making more money then I do" attitude does not help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 So to flip this on you tyler as a factory worker I should earn less then you? Even though I make goods that can be sold to the consumer and the profit of the goods I make pay for your wages? Thats the problem with this country to much weight at the top of the food chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yea, what do you need differential equations, thermodynamics, electromagnetic field theory, and vlsi classes for you desk monkey?Pick up a welder and wrench and do some REAL work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler524 Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yea, what do you need differential equations, thermodynamics, electromagnetic field theory, and vlsi classes for you desk monkey?Pick up a welder and wrench and do some REAL work.How is I supposed to know what or how to build? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 ^ your getting it now Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Just have a welder build another welder for you, duh.I'm sure all welders know the internals of the machine they use, just like how everyone that owns a car can build their own EPA compliant emissions system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 I sorry my un educated ass should just be happy making $10 an hour and living off welfare that you educated people pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) You don't like it? Find a job creator to pay you what you're worth.Apparenty our society thinks engineers should be paid more than laborers. and that upsets you because you've experienced firsthand how dumb they are.Why don't you just go back and get that degree so you have the slip of paper that allows society to judge you and pay you more? It's easy if those numbskulls you work with can do it. Edited September 19, 2011 by JRMMiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 reread the post. If you design a machine that my dumb monkey ass can build to sell to the consumer then you earn your keep and deserve the pay you educated people earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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