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Not a cloud in the sky! I was challenging it to become hurricane status so I could walk out with a free week of vacation next year. I was talking with a couple two days ago, that has been coming here for 25 years never skipping a year, and they told me if a hurricane rolls thru everyone on the resort gets a free week of vacation! So I say again BLOW MOTHER EFFFFER BLOW!!!!

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I'm confused. It's already mandatory' date=' or they want to make it mandatory?

If Isaac was suspended for not reciting the POA, and he told me it was because "they" said he had to, I would buy him ice cream for dinner.[/quote']

shit, i got to "spread it around"

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Just sayin'... :dunno:

Kids need to learn a bit about our country, its founding, our constitution, their God given rights and the recognition of such by the constitution. We have too many people trying to make the constitution, your rights and any form of patriotism dissappear. They hide it away like its a bad thing. If kids are never taught what they have and why they have it...... the men who died to secure it for them..... how are the supposed to value it?

The pledge is part of that process, it tells a story that needs taught.

To rebel against the establishment is sometimes good...... it just doesn't need to be against everything. somethings have value. This is one of them.

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And what "exactly" does the mccarthyist version of a pledge "teach" per se?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation (under god) indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Apparently one of the liberties for all isn't the choice to swear your allegiance to whoever or whatever you choose.

And just because something may or may not have value does not mean it needs to be dictated by law.

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How is the value of the POA more important than the value of the First Amendment? Granted' date=' I would never encourage Isaac to not recite the POA. However, if he didn't feel like reciting it, or wasn't sure if he understood it completely, or.. GOD FORBID.. he decides he doesn't believe we are "One Nation, Under God"... then why on earth would I push that on him? I certainly don't want the State telling my son he has to repeat the words, "One Nation, Under God".. or any other child, for that matter.

Kids absolutely need to learn about the history of this most excellent nation... and they should do it by paying attention in Civics class. Teaching my child goose-step propaganda is not why I pay taxes to the state.[/quote']

There is nothing there that would supercede the first ammendment. Your child would not be required to recite it but administrators would be required to include it as part of the schools instructional program. I for one want more actual american history taught to our children. I want economics taught...... simple stuff like: its good NOT to spend more than you make! I'm tired of hearing how teachers just choose to leave parts of history out because it doesn't fit their idea of political correctness.

Maybe legislation like this is required to teach a minimum to our children..... sad...... but required.

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Apparently one of the liberties for all isn't the choice to swear your allegiance to whoever or whatever you choose.

The US constitution, the ideas that it stands for, the freedoms and rights it protects, is a unique thing in this world. As with any freedom though,if you abuse it, your right to it ends when it impacts others. Anyone who wants to use their freedom to overturn or swear allegience to another government or even a set of ideas that desires to overturn or limit the constitution that protects our citizens is a treasonous act and should be treated as such. Thats just my humble opinion ofcourse. :D

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How is the value of the POA more important than the value of the First Amendment? Granted' date=' I would never encourage Isaac to not recite the POA. However, if he didn't feel like reciting it, or wasn't sure if he understood it completely, or.. GOD FORBID.. he decides he doesn't believe we are "One Nation, Under God"... then why on earth would I push that on him? I certainly don't want the State telling my son he has to repeat the words, "One Nation, Under God".. or any other child, for that matter.

Kids absolutely need to learn about the history of this most excellent nation... and they should do it by paying attention in Civics class. Teaching my child goose-step propaganda is not why I pay taxes to the state.[/quote']

I will whoop my kids azzez if they think they will ever "choose" not to say the pledge! When they are an adult, they will have the choice to not agree with "One Nation Under God". Until then, they live in my socialist state! I pay for everything, I make the rules. Hats off, stand tall, hand over your heart, look at the flag, and recite the pledge!

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It was written by a socialist, pledge that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

I'm missing your point. Just because it was written by someone with socialist views doesn't make it socialist. I don't think there is a person who would disagree with his desire to "champion (stand up for) the rights of the working class people". My comment about "my socialist state" was meant to be a joke. "My socialist state" exists within this democratic nation, as it should.

Any parent who has a democracy in their home is doing it wrong (in my opinion). Your children should not have a say in the rules of your home. As a parent, your job is to guide them toward adulthood via the rules that you have put in place.

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i hope it passes - i think it will do good for it to start being said in schools again....we used to do it every morning in elementary and middle school, then it just went away

while i hope it becomes mandatory for the school to do it every day, i dont think there should be a punishment for children who decide not to participate.

if they choose not to say it, i believe that is their right they should not be in trouble for using it

it even says in the article

Under the proposal, students would not be required to take part, be intimidated or coerced into saying the pledge.
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I will whoop my kids azzez if they think they will ever "choose" not to say the pledge! When they are an adult, they will have the choice to not agree with "One Nation Under God". Until then, they live in my socialist state! I pay for everything, I make the rules. Hats off, stand tall, hand over your heart, look at the flag, and recite the pledge!

Your kid, your choice, your problem.

When you're talking about school administrators and public educators, their say is limited.

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i hope it passes - i think it will do good for it to start being said in schools again....we used to do it every morning in elementary and middle school, then it just went away

while i hope it becomes mandatory for the school to do it every day, i dont think there should be a punishment for children who decide not to participate.

if they choose not to say it, i believe that is their right they should not be in trouble for using it

it even says in the article

When I was in elementary we said the pledge and had a prayer every morning. I turned out pretty good I believe.

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I'm confused. It's already mandatory' date=' or they want to make it mandatory?

If Isaac was suspended for not reciting the POA, and he told me it was because "they" said he had to, I would buy him ice cream for dinner.[/quote']

I think you're jumping to conclusions. I was thinking the same way I believe you're interpreting this, and I re-read the article several times to clarify.

The amendment is only to:

require building administrators to include oral recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance as part of the school's instructional program.
As far as I can tell, that only means that learning the constitution will now be a mandatory part of the school curriculum. Each teacher will be required to teach it. The TEACHERS are the ones who actually have to speak the POA.
Under the proposal, students would not be required to take part, be intimidated or coerced into saying the pledge.
If it's part of the curriculum, then students should be tested on it. Writing out the pledge is a totally acceptable way to illustrate that you've learned it.

That shouldn't require anyone to actually recite the pledge if they don't want to.

Personally, I think it's kind of silly to pledge my allegiance to a piece of cloth. "To the republic, for which it stands" makes more sense to me. "one nation, under god," I'm not wild about either, but I don't think it does any harm.

I went to school with a very smart and very religious family (Bad - you probably had a Bayzie in your grade. There were 6 or 7 of them). Raquel never recited the pledge. She wasn't anti-America or anything, but she was devoutly Christian, and said she had pledged her life and allegiance to God & Jesus. As she explained it to me, she would not split her allegiance to God with any flag or government. Pretty heady stuff, considering she was in 2nd or 3rd grade when she told me this.

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