Question about keeping a gun in the car

[jporter12]

key

and i dont know about you, but if i broke into a car and saw they had a lock box, picked it up and it was heavy, i would assume theres probably something in there worth stealing...im 100% convinced that i could "steal" or break into my nanovault in less than 60 seconds ...if i ever do replace it with something more sturdy, i will be testing it to see how durable it actually is....ill look into the scew youre talking about...the gap is what bothers me the most...like i said, i cold fit a pry bar in there effortlessly because the gap is so big

That's why I like the idea of bolting it down! That would be a good idea for securing a wallet, or other valuables as well.

A gap that a pry bar could get into would concern me. The cable being easy to cut, not so much. A thief is more likely to have a pry bar with them than something that would cut that cable! I actually had to reason that one out when I got mine.

[Steve Butters]

That's why I like the idea of bolting it down! That would be a good idea for securing a wallet, or other valuables as well.

A gap that a pry bar could get into would concern me. The cable being easy to cut, not so much. A thief is more likely to have a pry bar with them than something that would cut that cable! I actually had to reason that one out when I got mine.

ill check out that screw then...and yea, i could fit a pry bar in mine pretty easily...hell i bet i could get a long flat head in there and bust it open...get what you pay for i suppose, but i just dont feel safe with it when i close it and have to worry about there being a large gap

[jagr]

Well you could have it under the carpet. A thief will run a hand under a seat along the carpet and just feel a hump. Doubt he would pull the carpet up.

[Steve Butters]

i have vinyl floors

[jagr]

Well you're just fucked!

[Ken45]

To clarify the answer to the OP:

If you have a CHL, yes you can legally leave it in the car, loaded. Common sense suggest that it be hidden or locked up, but that is not a legal requirement.

If you do not have a CHL, then the handgun must be unloaded and secured separately from the ammo, and out of reach while driving. Having a loaded magazine or speedloader equals a "loaded gun" in Ohio even if the magazine is locked up in the trunk.

If a gun is stolen, it needs to be reported to the police.

This is all Ohio law, btw. In Kentucky, it is legal to have a loaded handgun in the glove compartment even without a CHL.

Ken

[idodishez]

Anyone use these?

http://store.winner-intl.com/the-club-personal-vault-p68.aspx?utm_medium=cse&utm_source=googlebase

$40 at Pep Boys

I would rather have a combo lock like the one posted above, but if this is more sturdy then I may be able to live w another key to carry

NoBama 2012

[chevysoldier]

If you do not have a CHL, then the handgun must be unloaded and secured separately from the ammo, and out of reach while driving. Having a loaded magazine or speedloader equals a "loaded gun" in Ohio even if the magazine is locked up in the trunk.

If a gun is stolen, it needs to be reported to the police.

This is all Ohio law, btw. In Kentucky, it is legal to have a loaded handgun in the glove compartment even without a CHL.

Ken

No, there is no law that states ammo and gun must be separated and out of reach.

ORC 2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.

© No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:

(1) In a closed package, box, or case;

(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;

(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;

(4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.

Yes, all magazines and speed loaders must be unloaded. Even if you have a CHL and you have a rifle in the car that accepts the same magazine as your CCW, that's illegal.

Anyone use these?

http://store.winner-intl.com/the-club-personal-vault-p68.aspx?utm_medium=cse&utm_source=googlebase

$40 at Pep Boys

I would rather have a combo lock like the one posted above, but if this is more sturdy then I may be able to live w another key to carry

NoBama 2012

That looks like it's pretty beefy.

Edited November 25, 2011 by chevysoldier

[JStump]

I ended up just putting mine in the center console. Its easy to get to in a hurry and if its stolen I will just report it. I also threw my case for it in the trunk so if I ever need to lock it up I can.

[JStump]

So I am signed up for text alerts from CSU on campus news and security, well in the past week I have gotten 2 alerts, one for a mugging and one for a robbery of the coffee shop at gun point. This has me really questioning my safety on campus as I will be going there starting in the summer. What are your opinions on illegally carrying on campus? I know there are a few LEOs on here so chime in if you see this but what would be the punishishment for carrying on campus if you use a gun to defend yourself?

I just think it's bullshit to ban guns on campus when it is extremely easy for someone to bring one and kill people while the rest of us law abiding citizens are defenseless if we follow the law.

[chevysoldier]

So I am signed up for text alerts from CSU on campus news and security, well in the past week I have gotten 2 alerts, one for a mugging and one for a robbery of the coffee shop at gun point. This has me really questioning my safety on campus as I will be going there starting in the summer. What are your opinions on illegally carrying on campus? I know there are a few LEOs on here so chime in if you see this but what would be the punishishment for carrying on campus if you use a gun to defend yourself?

I just think it's bullshit to ban guns on campus when it is extremely easy for someone to bring one and kill people while the rest of us law abiding citizens are defenseless if we follow the law.

Just carrying where signs prohibit, You'd be charged with ORC2911.21(A)(4) pursuant to 2923.126©(3)(a) which is a misdemeanor of the 4th degree. Up to 30 days in jail, $250 max fine.

Carried in prohibited facility is an M1 under ORC2923.12(A)(2). An M1 is 6mo max jail time and $1000 max fine.

If you carry in somewhere prohibited and shoot or kill someone in self defense, I'd guess that'd be up to the prosecutor.

Edited November 29, 2011 by chevysoldier

[jporter12]

Just carrying where signs prohibit, You'd be charged with ORC2911.21(A)(4) pursuant to 2923.126©(3)(a) which is a misdemeanor of the 4th degree. Up to 30 days in jail, $250 max fine.

Carried in prohibited facility is an M1 under ORC2923.12(A)(2). An M1 is 6mo max jail time and $1000 max fine.

Are schools different though? Is a college campus different than a school?

[JStump]

Concealed carry of a handgun by a licensee is prohibited in the following public areas:

Public schools.

Police, sheriff or state highway patrol stations.

Correctional facilities, jails or any premises controlled by Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation.

Airport passenger terminals or any airplanes.

Any rooms or open-air arenas licensed to serve alcohol for on premises consumption.

Premises owned or leased by a public or private college, university or other institution of higher learning.

Any place of worship.

A child day-care center.

A family day-care home.

Any building owned or leased by a state government entity or a political subdivision of the state.

Any location prohibited by federal law.

The owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by a public entity, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on that property.

[chevysoldier]

Are schools different though? Is a college campus different than a school?

Concealed carry of a handgun by a licensee is prohibited in the following public areas:

Public schools.Unless in the pick-up/drop-off zone and you don't get out of the car

Police, sheriff or state highway patrol stations.

Correctional facilities, jails or any premises controlled by Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation.

Airport passenger terminals or any airplanes.

Any rooms or open-air arenas licensed to serve alcohol for on premises consumption.

Premises owned or leased by a public or private college, university or other institution of higher learning.Unless locked or in the process of being locked in a motor vehicle. You can't carry in the buildings or walking around.

Any place of worship.Unless permitted by them

A child day-care center.

A family day-care home.

Any building owned or leased by a state government entity or a political subdivision of the state. Doesn't include rest stops. All those signs should be down by now

Any location prohibited by federal law.

The owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by a public entity, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on that property.

Let me pull up the ORC...

[chevysoldier]

Here, this is from the AG Concealed Carry Handbook 2011 http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/concealedcarrybook

Forbidden Carry Zones

The law sets forth several places where your license does not allow you to

carry a handgun. Under the law, you may not carry a concealed handgun

into the following places:

• Police stations

• Sheriffs’ offices

• Highway Patrol posts

• Premises controlled by BCI

• Correctional institutions or other detention facilities

• Airport terminals or airplanes

• Facilities for the care of mentally ill persons

• Courthouses or buildings in which a courtroom is located

• Universities, unless locked in a motor vehicle or in the process of being locked in a motor vehicle

• Places of worship, unless the place of worship permits otherwise

• Child day-care centers

• Licensed Class D liquor permit premises if you are consuming beer orintoxicating liquor or are under the influence. If you are not consuming, you may carry unless there is a conspicuoussign prohibiting carry.Possession of a concealed Firearm is allowed in a retail store with a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as the concealed carry licenseholder is not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issuedto an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. In any event, do not consume beer or intoxicating liquor before carrying a concealed handgun into a licensed premises.

• Government facilities that are not used primarily as a shelter, restroom, parking facility for motor vehicles, or rest facility and arenot a courthouse or a building or structure in which a courtroom islocated

• School safety zones A “school safety zone” includes a school, school building, schoolpremises, school activity, and school bus. For purposes of this statute, aschool includes everything up to the property boundary.If you are licensed to carry a concealed handgun, you may carry a handguninto a school safety zone only if you do not enter a school building, schoolpremises, or school activity. You also must not be in one of the places listed in ORC 2923.126(B). You may be in a motor vehicle and immediately in the process of picking up or dropping off a child. You also must comply with all other laws governing the transportation of firearms in a motor vehicle

Edited November 29, 2011 by chevysoldier

[idodishez]

I've been wondering this, and it came up again today. Does it have to be an "official" gun buster sign? Or can it be any sign that says no guns? My bank has it written in vinyl letters on the door. Went to a pawn shop on. Vacation that more or less had it on a cardboard sign. Is that all that's needed? Or does it need to be the official gun buster sign to stand up and be legit?

NoBama 2012

[chevysoldier]

I've been wondering this, and it came up again today. Does it have to be an "official" gun buster sign? Or can it be any sign that says no guns? My bank has it written in vinyl letters on the door. Went to a pawn shop on. Vacation that more or less had it on a cardboard sign. Is that all that's needed? Or does it need to be the official gun buster sign to stand up and be legit?

NoBama 2012

There is no "official" sign in Ohio, only a recommendation of what the sign should or could look like. As long as it is conspicuous enough for you to see it without hunting around and it's intent to have you disarmed are clear, it's legal.

But as soon as you know they are posted no matter how inconspicuous, or their intentions are made clear to you, you are required to leave immediately.

So yes, that sign is legal and even if it is hidden away somewhere, because you have taken a picture of it have shown you know they don't want you to carry, you are legally bound to adhere to that sign.

[idodishez]

Edit. I didn't take any pictures. That was a google search of what I consider to be an "official" sign.

I've seen many variances, and just always wondered if they would stand up.

I will admit, I thought the penalty was steeper. At some places, I'd be willing to take the $250/30 day penalty. Like when I carried in a prostitute/vagrant ridden hotel in new jersey on vacation when confronting manager for a refund. (yeah, I know, stiffer penalties)

NoBama 2012

[jporter12]

Let me clarify my question: Are those places any different (penalty) than a place with a sign? Also, does it mean school as in a k-12 school, or does college also apply, or are colleges just like anywhere else needing a sign?

[chevysoldier]

Let me clarify my question: Are those places any different (penalty) than a place with a sign? Also, does it mean school as in a k-12 school, or does college also apply, or are colleges just like anywhere else needing a sign?

Just carrying where signs prohibit, misdemeanor of the 4th degree. Up to 30 days in jail, $250 max fine.

Carried in prohibited facility is an misdemeanor of the 1st degree (ie, courhouse which is off limits regardless of a sign posted or not), 6mo max jail time and $1000 max fine.

Higher the degree of a misdemeanor or felony= stiffer penalties. So yes, carrying into a place where the law specifically states as a no gun zone carries a stiffer penalty than just XYZ business that posts a sign.

You cannot carry into any school. For k-12 you can't even store it in your car on the premises. Whereas a college or university you can store it in your car on the premises.

Make sense? Or just not carry into a federal building, a school or anywhere that posts a sign and you'll be fine.

Edited November 29, 2011 by chevysoldier

[jporter12]

Just carrying where signs prohibit, misdemeanor of the 4th degree. Up to 30 days in jail, $250 max fine.

Carried in prohibited facility is an misdemeanor of the 1st degree (ie, courhouse which is off limits regardless of a sign posted or not), 6mo max jail time and $1000 max fine.

Higher the degree of a misdemeanor or felony= stiffer penalties. So yes, carrying into a place where the law specifically states as a no gun zone carries a stiffer penalty than just XYZ business that posts a sign.

You cannot carry into any school. For k-12 you can't even store it in your car on the premises. Whereas a college or university you can store it in your car on the premises.

Make sense? Or just not carry into a federal building, a school or anywhere that posts a sign and you'll be fine.

Thanks for clarifying. As Frank said above, there are places that some people would be willing to pay the fine and do the time. Although, wouldn't such a violation be cause for revocation of a CHL, being that it is a CHL related offense?

[Ken45]

The normal "school zone" rules apply to K-12.

Higher education is different.

You are allowed to have a gun in your car on college grounds.

However, that doesn't mean that a university can't kick you out even though you are legal.

As for signs, anything that prohibits guns is a legal sign, even a sketch of a revolver with a slash through it drawn in crayon. However, outside of a building, it is only civil trespass. That means they have to sue you in civil court for the damages you have caused (?). Inside a posted building is a criminal offense.

Most of us with a CHL try to be law abiding citizens even when we disagree with the law.

Ken

[conn-e-rot]

So I am signed up for text alerts from CSU on campus news and security, well in the past week I have gotten 2 alerts, one for a mugging and one for a robbery of the coffee shop at gun point. This has me really questioning my safety on campus as I will be going there starting in the summer. What are your opinions on illegally carrying on campus? I know there are a few LEOs on here so chime in if you see this but what would be the punishishment for carrying on campus if you use a gun to defend yourself?

I just think it's bullshit to ban guns on campus when it is extremely easy for someone to bring one and kill people while the rest of us law abiding citizens are defenseless if we follow the law.

Thinking about breaking the law or breaking the law is your decision and you are responsible for the outcome of that decision. Posting it on an internet forum is not a good idea. If you are carrying in a prohibited area and you use your weapon in self defense in the state of Ohio I'd guess you'd have about 99.9% chance of being charged, losing your CHL, made an example of and doing jail time.

[redkow97]

So I am signed up for text alerts from CSU on campus news and security, well in the past week I have gotten 2 alerts, one for a mugging and one for a robbery of the coffee shop at gun point. This has me really questioning my safety on campus as I will be going there starting in the summer. What are your opinions on illegally carrying on campus? I know there are a few LEOs on here so chime in if you see this but what would be the punishishment for carrying on campus if you use a gun to defend yourself?

I just think it's bullshit to ban guns on campus when it is extremely easy for someone to bring one and kill people while the rest of us law abiding citizens are defenseless if we follow the law.

I got the same emails (although no texts... curious) and I was actually considering asking "The Gavel" what the hell they suggest we do in such situations.

The armed robbery was not in a campus building, but I do a lot of walking from Euclid & E. 18th to my car on Chester or Payne. (near E. 18th if I'm lucky...)

"be more aware of your surroundings" is fucking ridiculous. It's finals, and I stay at school late. I get there at 5:00, so I park in BFE. "utilize the campus escort service." Right. because that undergrad's orange t-shirt can stop bullets?

Sickeningly, I believe the problem is that CSU is a PUBLIC university. Thus all of the facilities are "government buildings," and carrying would be a felony, not a misdemeanor.

I hope to god I am wrong about that, but as a law student, I can't even SIT for the Ohio bar if I have a felony on my record. Finding out the hard way would be a $90,000 mistake...

[JStump]

Just got a 3rd email about a stick up at a hotel on campus, this is just ridiculous. What really pisses me off is instead of these incidents helping prove a case for legal carry, they will just make people even more against guns. This may sound harsh but all the people who oppose legal carry should experience what it's like to be held at gun point and have no one help them, I bet they would have a different opinion after that. I have never been in that situation and hope never to be but this is kinda scaring the crap out of me. Keeping my gun in my car is the most I can do to legally protect my self other than my pocket knife which is almost nothing.