imprez55 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 who cares?Race baiting assholes, that's who.When it stops being about race and starts to be about crime then we will hear the truth.Wait! just because he was black?Please.Obama's son? Get real.And please notice we had no race trouble until Obama took over.Just sayin....Sad, all the way around. No winners here, just losers on all fronts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Hey, he said it... it must be true, this country had no race issues before obama... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 "Evidence points to Martin. No evidence seems to suggest otherwise. Clear cut."What evidence points to a Martin?The only evidence at all, aside from Zimmerman's statement, about the initiation of contact points to Zimmerman. He was actively following Martin. Zimmerman had no offensive injuries, and his face was beaten / broken nose / black eyes. Martin had offensive injures (knuckles from punching) and no injuries other than being shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Zimmerman had no offensive injuries, and his face was beaten / broken nose / black eyes. Martin had offensive injures (knuckles from punching) and no injuries other than being shot.one small scratch on one knuckle...does not constitute "injuries"it barely constitutes "injury" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Zimmerman had no offensive injuries, and his face was beaten / broken nose / black eyes. Martin had offensive injures (knuckles from punching) and no injuries other than being shot.Yeah, well that's like your opinion man.Ever get the feeling you're playing handball against the drapes? You keep hitting it, but nothing comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) Yeah, well that's like your opinion man.Ever get the feeling you're playing handball against the drapes? You keep hitting it, but nothing comes back.Not opinion - police report. Also: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knucklesSANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him. Edited May 25, 2012 by Scruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 This thread will not end with... "oh man, I've been wrong all this time". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzer Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/120687039/Trayvon-Martin-autopsy-report 1/4" x 1/8" abrasion on left fourth fingermedia: OMG INJURIES to knuckles! The plurality of injury can make a lot of difference. Still comes down to the whole who initiated physical contact thing. We know the fight wounds likely preceded the gunshot wound, it's awful hard to fight with a perforated right ventricle and lung. However, the actions preceding the fight are less clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 you can't speculate that the black man might have been wrongfully approached attacked and killed, or else you have a political agenda and you're racist.assuming that the dead black guy got what's coming to him, and any other possible scenario is an attack on your second amendment rights, no agenda, no racism...something seems backwards here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cg2112 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Zimmerman had no offensive injuries, and his face was beaten / broken nose / black eyes. Martin had offensive injures (knuckles from punching) and no injuries other than being shot.None of that is an indicator of who initiated contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 i thought we were just making fun of magley for snark-tastic comments about how he thinks it's wrong and unmanly even to protect oneself with a gun from violent crime.if we're going back to speculating on evidence that's not available/non-existent, i'm outta here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) i thought we were just making fun of magley for snark-tastic comments about how he thinks it's wrong and unmanly even to protect oneself with a gun from violent crime.guns are the same as religion in my mind, maybe a little worse because they are actual physical objects, not just thoughts, words and emotions...I have no respect for your gun or your religion, I have respect for your right to have them, as long as you don't attack me with them or use them to deny other people their rights.unmanly or immoral, I make no such judgements Edited May 25, 2012 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 guns are the same as religion in my mind, maybe a little worse because they are actual physical objects, not just thoughts, words and emotions...I have no respect for your gun or your religion, I have respect for your right to have them, as long as you don't attack me with them or use them to deny other people their rights.unmanly or immoral, I make no such judgements ...do you even read your posts? these two comments are opposite of your whole argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 None of that is an indicator of who initiated contact.Don't care who initiated contact. I care who started the violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Don't care who initiated contact. I care who started the violence.So I can just grab ahold of you and detain you against your will and as long as I'm not violent about it its fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 So I can just grab ahold of you and detain you against your will and as long as I'm not violent about it its fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 So I can just grab ahold of you and detain you against your will and as long as I'm not violent about it its fine?i would consider forcefully detaining someone a "violent" act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 So I can just grab ahold of you and detain you against your will and as long as I'm not violent about it its fine?A grab is violence. Physical assault.If I walk up to you and ask what you are doing in the area then you cannot respond by attacking me.How does this relate to the Martin/Zimmerman case? Do you have evidence that suggests Zimmerman grabbed Martin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 A grab is violence. Physical assault.If I walk up to you and ask what you are doing in the area then you cannot respond by attacking me.How does this relate to the Martin/Zimmerman case? Do you have evidence that suggests Zimmerman grabbed Martin?Wait for it...........No of course not, because Martin is dead and only Zimmerman is telling his side. Bring in CSI Miami, they would get this shit all figured out within 46 min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Wait for it...........No of course not, because Martin is dead and only Zimmerman is telling his side.Well, at least someone is listening, even if you disagree... you have to concede that people will lie to cover their asses.I've done it before, and I would do it again if the occasion called for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pokey Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Well, at least someone is listening, even if you disagree... you have to concede that people will lie to cover their asses.I've done it before, and I would do it again if the occasion called for it.I am not listening at all, just being a smartass. And not that it would hold up in court whatsoever, but I am betting Z has had a polygraph and he passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 beside the fact that polygraphs are bullshit....they only work if you believe they work....and I don't know what will hold up in court, i have not looked at the evidence, I'm not a juror... but I'm also not so quick as to take the word of a guy who got into a fight with an unarmed person and killed them that they were in the right because "he started it".I'm gonna need a little more than your word on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Not opinion - police report. Also: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/You missed my sarcasm...and big Lebowski reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 You missed my sarcasm...and big Lebowski reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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