natedogg624 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I had my first one yesterday into T1 at Grattan -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4iLdw26hGwIt was the first session for me as I skipped the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoblick Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 yup i get them on the Duc sometimes.dont pussy foot your shifts lolj/knice save there, dont wanna scratch that pretty paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Ive had it once before on the street, What causes this? I would imagine on the street its not as scary as it would be on the track when coming into a corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I've had a few....only 1 on the track at PIRC downshifting for the carousel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I've done this before... Vmax was bad about it... Just make sure to kick the shifter harder and it should be fine... I missed third at National Trails one night lol so embarrassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I thought maybe it was caused by not applying enough preasure to the shifter. My ankle doesnt move up as far as it should since i was a kid, so i had to adjust the gear selector down about 2 notches. I havent had one since i did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Done it a couple times on the 599. Didn't shift hard enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Makes sense. Mine did it when it was new. I think it was me somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I am curious if clicking up on the shifter would have been better than going off the track.It's always best to go up a gear and stay on track, but I'm guessing without the engine-braking Nathan was expecting, his entry speed was considerably hotter than he was comfortable with.It's hard to not panic and ride it out. I've gone through T1 at BeaveRun in 4th gear because of the same thing though.My F2 was notorious for finding false neutrals under acceleration. Never on down-shifts thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I never get those' date=' but I'm also the best motorcycle rider I know.Just watched the vid. Nice save. Did you not know what was happening? I am asking because I am curious if clicking up on the shifter would have been better than going off the track.[/quote']I've briefly read about them but never experienced them so I had no idea what was going on. In all honesty I thought something in the trans was broken at first. When I came to a stop and it was still running without any horrendous noise and I could engage the shifter, I realized what had happened but was buried deep into the gravel trap.It's always best to go up a gear and stay on track, but I'm guessing without the engine-braking Nathan was expecting, his entry speed was considerably hotter than he was comfortable with.It's hard to not panic and ride it out. I've gone through T1 at BeaveRun in 4th gear because of the same thing though.My F2 was notorious for finding false neutrals under acceleration. Never on down-shifts thankfully.Having no engine braking was definitely a bit hairy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) The other moment I had was this massive tank slapper coming onto the front straight -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4UmmH0pO-QFor those two moments to be the worst of it, overall a good day with setting a personal best time at that track.Also I'm curious how the novice on the repsol honda in the bus stop got onto the track with the advanced group. Edited September 30, 2012 by natedogg624 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 False neutrals can be from a few things. Tender foot as noted. Can be due to a shifter not in the right angle for your foot movements and personal settings. It can also be worn shifter forks. Doubt that, though.In my personal opinion and do not take this wrong - you need to get a lot smoother on your shifting transitions. They are fairly harsh and a lot of times, rushing the shifting can cause you to mis shift or get it in between gears. Pull the clutch - DO NOT TRY AND FORCE THE SHIFT - and use the brakes to slow down and get it into the gear you need.It's something we tend to run into at times. The RC8 is notorious for them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 definitely noted Brian. I did change my method to something more similar to what you're advising and it seemed to work much better as it allowed me to focus on my markers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienpi Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I cured my false neutrals by not using the clutch for up shifting into 5th, and 6th. It's weird because those are the only two gears that I've had the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c7fx Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I cured my false neutrals by not using the clutch for up shifting into 5th, and 6th. It's weird because those are the only two gears that I've had the problem.Thats a shifter position problem. Move the shifter on the shaft and that will be cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Does anyone use Factory Pro Evo Shift Stars? Wondering how they perform under gear stresses at the track. They're supposed to help with more positive gear changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJC1000rr Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I had Reuben put one in my bike last winter as I was having a lot of issues with the cbr not returning the shift lever to the neutral position. It works a LOT better, but takes some getting use too has the detent spring is a lot stiffer. Its also almost impossible to get into neutral without using your hands, as the neutral point is very small on the star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attentiongetter92 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 How do you adjust the shifter to change the length of travel? I can't pull my foot up enough(I don't know why, never have been) and I hit a false nuetral at least once a week. I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attentiongetter92 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Would I turn 8 clockwise or counterclockwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Would I turn 8 clockwise or counterclockwise?I'd have to see in person, but you will see the shifter move up or down easily. Just make SURE you have enough threads in the collar. Don't leave a small amount of threads as it can break apart. If you run into that situation, take #17 out and pull #2 off (I would suggest taking a sharpie marker and making a straight line through #2 and the shaft it pulls off of for reference as to how much you turned it) and turn it down 1-2 notches. That will allow you to have enough threads if needed... You should be totally fine to make small adjustments without worry.I would also suggest silicone on the locking nuts and the collar to avoid the nuts loosening and loss of a shift linkage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojocho Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 natedogg, I was at Grattan this weekend too. I don't think I've seen so many red flags in one day. The "I" group had only 2 full sessions on Sat. The others were doubtfully more than 10 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrown57 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 My 9 is apparently notorious for this Had it happen a few time so I adjusted the linkage down so it was easier to give it all the travel it needs without jerking my leg up. It has helped noticeably but still happens just not as frequently as it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 This may help some folks here - my old YZF supposedly had the same issue but the po that sold it to me had already installed one. http://www.factorypro.com/products/Factory_Pro_shift.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidersDiscount Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 natedogg, I was at Grattan this weekend too. I don't think I've seen so many red flags in one day. The "I" group had only 2 full sessions on Sat. The others were doubtfully more than 10 minutes.Same, just when you get a good run together a red was shown it seemed. Where did you pit and were you running I group? That looked like a major clusterf* all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojocho Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Yeah, in "I". I was pitted down below in the first strip against those wooden retaining walls. The weird thing was that in general Ive seen worse days where you have people breaking the 6ft rule all day long. But Sat the riders were not that bad and the track was pretty good after the second session. Don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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