mango_sv Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Anyone knowbif you can check the resistance on the coils to see it is dead? I know you can on a lot of cars. I figure the bike has a set range its suppose to be in. Just throwing out ideas.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Easier way is to switch parts around to see if the problem follows. Well, easier because you know for certain what isn't working.But yes, you can meter them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Hell, it takes 2 seconds to meter them and you dont have to unbolt anything. If its way outga spec, and on the wet plugs, you know its a junk coil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Yea, but they are never way out of spec. It is always just barely out. At least in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 But if you want to meter it:1. Charge the battery2. Pull the wires3. Measure between the wire connectors (Ohmmeter)4. I don't know the resistance for sure. Should be ~5kohms-14kohms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2thDr Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 if u want call me. 513-321-2087 anytime after 10am. Its brandon. I appreciate that. Compression within 10% of each other is good.Smell the plugs to make sure it is actually oil. Sounds a lot like carbon soaked fuel. Hence the ignition problem everyone is pointing to.But if you want to meter it:1. Charge the battery2. Pull the wires3. Measure between the wire connectors (Ohmmeter)4. I don't know the resistance for sure. Should be ~5kohms-14kohms So we are talking abou the ignition coils now correct? I'm just glad it's not rings or valves. That stuff is expensive. ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 So we are talking abou the ignition coils now correct?Yes. Just pull the coil and meter the resistance.I'm just glad it's not rings or valves. That stuff is expensive. haNew set of coils will prolly cost more than rings. Way less labor though. Valves would be expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Okay, it's apparent that a service manual is needed by the Dr.So, here's the pages dealing with ignition as well as the rectifier/charging system troubleshooting.GSXR600 Manual Pages for the Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxie750 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Still think its a fuel problem! I would drain and replace. if there was water in the tank b4 and u filled it up and only has 30miles on tank that means you are pumping water along with fuel = white smoke and cyl's not firing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2thDr Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Okay, it's apparent that a service manual is needed by the Dr.So, here's the pages dealing with ignition as well as the rectifier/charging system troubleshooting.GSXR600 Manual Pages for the Dr.I have one. ha This is just a way for me to make friends Plus this is way better for getting different ideas.Still think its a fuel problem! I would drain and replace. if there was water in the tank b4 and u filled it up and only has 30miles on tank that means you are pumping water along with fuel = white smoke and cyl's not firing.I will try it tonight. Midterms are over for me, so I can play with this bike tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Still think its a fuel problem! I would drain and replace. if there was water in the tank b4 and u filled it up and only has 30miles on tank that means you are pumping water along with fuel = white smoke and cyl's not firing.I definitely don't disagree with this. However he likely has fouled the plugs at this point too...Metering the coil is quick and eliminates a potential problem though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Z. Heimer Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) The first thing you need to do is---FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WETNESS IS!! I t sure isn't honeymoon taco lube. Then you can figure out what direction to go. If there is as much as you say take all the plugs out and crank it over. I'm sure you will get spewage. Just make sure your plug wires don't arc out if it is gas. That is unless you have a camera rolling for that YouTube moment. Like big fire.then you will see which taco hole is the luber. When it starts and it starts to smoke like right now--proly not antifreeze. It don't burn. It makes steam. Excess fuel on the other hand makes black smoke. Edited October 19, 2012 by Al Z. Heimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I have one. ha This is just a way for me to make friends Plus this is way better for getting different ideas.I will try it tonight. Midterms are over for me, so I can play with this bike tonight.Well screw you, Dr! I think Craig has rubbed off on you....more than once. And Jinu too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2thDr Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Took Brandon's advice. I did a little tricky-do and got the fuel pump to drain out all of the fuel without removing the tank.Filled it up with fresh 93.It fired up and stayed on! Bogged a little bit, I'm assuming just because of the left over poop gas. It stayed on all the way until 150 degrees. I revved it a tad, it shot out some flames and shut off. Started right back up and was fine. revved great. sounded great. I haven't gotten a chance to ride it just yet as I have all the fairings and lights off, but I will try and get it back togethor by monday.Thanks again everyone for your help. I really appreciate it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Took Brandon's advice. I did a little tricky-do and got the fuel pump to drain out all of the fuel without removing the tank.Filled it up with fresh 93.It fired up and stayed on! Bogged a little bit, I'm assuming just because of the left over poop gas. It stayed on all the way until 150 degrees. I revved it a tad, it shot out some flames and shut off. Started right back up and was fine. revved great. sounded great. I haven't gotten a chance to ride it just yet as I have all the fairings and lights off, but I will try and get it back togethor by monday.Thanks again everyone for your help. I really appreciate it!!!right on. it's easy to jump to so many conclusions without having some experience. now you're one more step closer to being a master mechanic.even the guys that come out of tech school struggle with troubleshooting. it's just something only experience can teach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2thDr Posted October 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 You aren't kidding. I learned a ton of stuff because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxus Christ! Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Wow....who woulda thought? From the symptoms you listed I figured spark. Glad you got her running again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2thDr Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 UPDATE:Got the bike painted and it's been running fine. Filled it up again on sunday when it was warm and took her for a spin. Rode all week into school and back. Yes it was cold, but I don't care. Public transportation blows. Anways.... Went to start it today and it was doing the same thing as before. It would start and die. Then it would only start if I had the gas open, and once it's released it would die. Is it conceivable that I have gotten "bad gas" twice? Or is something else going on here? Am I accumulating moisture in my tank somehow? Happened both times after I filled up my tank, then rode for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bshultz0930 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) the scanner you checked for codes with, does it all show live data? such as coolant temp, maf, etc? there are 3 basic things that make a engine run - compression, spark, and fuel. there are multiple things that can spawn off each one of those, but judging by the flame shot out of the exhaust it sounds like your engine is getting flooded, whether it be poor spark or too much fuel. your coolant sensor plays a large part in fuel. lets say the lowest is can read is -44 degrees, and its stuck or shorted, or even an air pocket in the coolant, your computer will see that and just load those cylinders with fuel. if you have a crank sensor starting to go bad, then its incorrectly reading rpms, then it may lack spark as to where your cam sensor does most of the work controlling the fuel. so there are a lot of things that could be causing this, i think you need to get a scanner that can read live data, and start ruling out the basics.EDIT:: how far is your ride? does your bike stay in a heated garage or does it get as cold as the outside? if your rides only 5 minutes from your house, it could be condensation easily.. your bikes cold as a mother and your ride only produces the engine temp up to 120 lets say, and then it says for a couple hours while your doing what your doing, that could easily cause condensation in the crank case, cylinders, and the tank.and +1 for another rider thats not afraid of the cold. Edited November 16, 2012 by bshultz0930 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenZJ Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Did you fill up at the same station? If so it is very possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2thDr Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 I filled up at a different station. put 93 in at both places.My bike stays in a garage that stays around 55 degrees, unless it's warmer outside. I park at school in a garage, but the garage it open to the elements, so that would be the same at the outside. My ride take about 10 minutes of city driving, and the bike routinely get's up to around 200, then will sit in essentially the outside all day until I leave school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2thDr Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Flushed the tank and put in new stuff last night; thinking it would behave like before. Nope. Didn't. Still not working. Hmph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJWalter Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Just for good measure:1. Remove tank, make sure its full2. Drop tank on roommate's balls when sleeping3. Re install tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bshultz0930 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Just for good measure:1. Remove tank, make sure its full2. Drop tank on roommate's balls when sleeping3. Re install tankYea, this sounds like it will fix it up right..! I would definitely start with this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxie750 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 so u can make it run with throttle? Any FI light? Battery full? Could be a down cyl? need more info. make sure fuel line is not kinked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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