ridein Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Should you lean you bike over in corners,It feels like you are falling over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 If this is a serious question, there are probably at least 5 or 6 threads on this topic already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 If you don't want to go off into the ditch you probably should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Amsoil. Wait, wut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 How have you lived this long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 how can you lean with a cell phone in your hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 how can you lean with a cell phone in your hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 ^^^^^Whole lot of wrong going in that picture!^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoblick Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 You bike no lean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Can't turn a bike by just leaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Do not try to lean the bike — that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no bike. Then you'll see, that it is not the bike that leans, it is only yourself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephasGT Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Can't turn a bike by just leaning.Nor can you turn without leaning.Yin and Yang, and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Nor can you turn without leaning.Yin and Yang, and all that.Yeah you can just not well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephasGT Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I had one motorcycle that would turn/steer by just leaning (no hands). I don't think all front geometry will that. And I mean gentle turns, not sharp corners. Haven't tried it lately. Don't know why I'd want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Oh boy, here we go again! The ol' countersteer argument. Mods, get ready to move this to the "Oil" thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitani Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Twist of the Wrist II. Read it. Watch it. Love it.http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Basics-High-Performance-Motorcycle/dp/0965045021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I don't think he's asking about counter steering. I'm reading as should the bike be leaning over to turn or should it turn like a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Prove it.This series by the guy who literally wrote the book on motorcycle riding explains it. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyVdyUTnlDwThe bike can turn with counter steering alone just not that well. You can sit up and basically lean opposite but it makes for horrible traction. It's a common reason for low sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imprez55 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Anyone else read this dude's post history?On 9/24 he says he will be taking the MSF course before riding.On 10/6 he says he has ridden 1700 miles since June on his 250.Ok, the first post implies he hasn't ridden but now he has been riding for over 2 months before then. Whatever, a little off with times. Here is where it gets interesting:By 10/15 he is giving advice of a blown head gasket or a hole in a piston.He was busy on 11/1. Giving tire recommendations because he has 2800 miles on new Pilot Powers on his Aprilia (2nd bike, so 2800 miles in a maximum of 25 days). Then asks how do you know if a tire is worn AFTER giving his recommendation on a tire, based on knowing his front tire is half worn.If you have ridden as many miles as you say you have (4500 mi) and taken the MSF course like you said you would, this question would never have entered your mind. I don't know if this is a troll account, troll post, or what but you should probably stop giving advice to others if you don't know it yourself. To answer your question; yes, you should lean and you won't fall if you are gripping the tank properly with your legs. Bitani posted some good information, probably over your head, but good information nevertheless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 "Lean" is probably not the best word to use either. You're not really leaning the bike so much as you are causing the front wheel to move out from under the bike. The result is lean angle, but that is a biproduct of the (subconscious) act of counter steering. Any conversation on turning a motorcycle has to start with a realization that1) at any reasonable speed, the bike wants to stay straight and upright, and 2) the goal is to carry the least lean-angle necessary, to keep maximum traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienpi Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Riding a motorcycle is just like driving a car except that above 13 mph you turn left to go right and turn right to go left. You need to get some tank grips on your bike, that way you can hold on with your legs instead of your arms. Edited November 11, 2012 by alienpi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Riding a motorcycle is just like driving a car except that above 13 mph you turn left to go right and turn right to go left. You need to get some tank grips on your bike, that way you can hold on with your legs instead of your arms.Whenever I go faster than 13 MPH, I just tense my abdominal muscles and create ass-suction to grip the seat... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadyone Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Different fork/frame geometries have different speed at which the bike/rider must then countersteered to turn. But this guy either has more money than brains or is a trollmonger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carwhore Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Anyone else read this dude's post history?On 9/24 he says he will be taking the MSF course before riding.On 10/6 he says he has ridden 1700 miles since June on his 250.Ok, the first post implies he hasn't ridden but now he has been riding for over 2 months before then. Whatever, a little off with times. Here is where it gets interesting:By 10/15 he is giving advice of a blown head gasket or a hole in a piston.He was busy on 11/1. Giving tire recommendations because he has 2800 miles on new Pilot Powers on his Aprilia (2nd bike, so 2800 miles in a maximum of 25 days). Then asks how do you know if a tire is worn AFTER giving his recommendation on a tire, based on knowing his front tire is half worn.If you have ridden as many miles as you say you have (4500 mi) and taken the MSF course like you said you would, this question would never have entered your mind. I don't know if this is a troll account, troll post, or what but you should probably stop giving advice to others if you don't know it yourself. To answer your question; yes, you should lean and you won't fall if you are gripping the tank properly with your legs. Bitani posted some good information, probably over your head, but good information nevertheless.Game over. Squid captured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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