TopLeft Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/5332.htmlA New York public school teacher who advised a school Bible Study club has filed a civil rights lawsuit against her school district after she was forced to remove all religious content from her classroom — including a quote from former President Ronald Reagan.Getting out of hand. Quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Wait for it....Wait for it.......Wait for it..........Magz will be along shortly to set us straight.....:bow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 She should be fired. It's public school and has no place for religion of any kind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 lol i'm staying way the hell out of this one, have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 lol i'm staying way the hell out of this one, have fun.Good point. Why is it that I keep to myself in my personal life, but feel the need to express every opinion on a public forum? Satan. That's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Good point. Why is it that I keep to myself in my personal life, but feel the need to express every opinion on a public forum? Satan. That's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 oh yeah, and i thought this was a repost, and it is.http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=101572 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopLeft Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 oh yeah, and i thought this was a repost, and it is.http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=101572Link doesn't work for me. Sorry for the repost. What annoys me the most is the removal of contemporary US President quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Freedom of religion includes freedom from having your children indoctrinated by the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfloydgad Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 There just isn't enough bandwidth to start into this one. So just ride safe, and please ATGATT.Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Good point. Why is it that I keep to myself in my personal life, but feel the need to express every opinion on a public forum? Satan. That's why.Perhaps a visual aid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaf Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 What would your take on this be if the teacher was of a faith other than Christian (let's say Islam) & your kid was in her class? It's the same difference. Separation of Church & State is a good thing even if your favorite brand of religion gets its toes stepped on every now & then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSB67 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Typical case of whiny butthurt christians vs whiny butthurt atheists. In which case you just have to defer to the precedent, which says no religion in public school.“In this case, you have two interest groups that are diametrically opposed to each other and you have to make certain decisions,” Supt. Dennis Kane told the television station. “And if one side doesn’t sue you, the other side probably will.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Nothing wrong with prayer in school. In fact it builds character and provides a moral base for our children. Step into this scenario for a minute:It's Friday night. Your son is starting his first varsity game as the sophomore quarterback. The kids are pumped! As a father, you couldn't be more proud."Ok boys..... This is our big night" says the coach... Also your son's favorite teacher. "Bring it in boys"..... Let's put our hands together and ask the good lord for some help".Silence. "Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad""Now go get 'em!"I call bullshit. You guys mean Christian prayer. As the only Jewish family in a small town, I could count into the thousands the times that I had to repeat "in Jesus's name we pray" in my public school. Did it scar me? Drove me out of everything god and god related. Did I bitch about it? No, it wasn't that important to me. But keep religion for fridays and Sundays. Way more personal than I get on here. Carry on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Nothing wrong with prayer in school. In fact it builds character and provides a moral base for our children. Step into this scenario for a minute:It's Friday night. Your son is starting his first varsity game as the sophomore quarterback. The kids are pumped! As a father, you couldn't be more proud."Ok boys..... This is our big night" says the coach... Also your son's favorite teacher. "Bring it in boys"..... Let's put our hands together and ask the good lord for some help".Silence. "Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad""Now go get 'em!"I call bullshit. You guys mean Christian prayer. As the only Jewish family in a small town, I could count into the thousands the times that I had to repeat "in Jesus's name we pray" in my public school. Did it scar me? Drove me out of everything god and god related. Did I bitch about it? No, it wasn't that important to me. But keep religion for fridays and Sundays. Way more personal than I get on here. Carry on.Mer I ca!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 The 2a is absolute, but the 1a is not, apparently. The state should not lead my kid towards any religion, regardless of how popular they think it is.She is free to follow her beliefs on her own time, but not to use her classroom for same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 what if it was a different prayer every day? do they gays have a prayer? wait, is it madonna? nevermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSparky Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) I am an atheist. I think religion is the bane of humanity.But... I think there's a difference between teaching a religion, and having religious information available. I'm cool with Jesus's quotes on the walls. As well as Buddha. They both taught good ideas. If it's all from one religion, then that is more or less the school trying to get away with it. Not cool. And I don't think anything a President says should be banned from a school. He was the leader of the country that school is in, I'd say his opinion should at least be taught for informational purposes.Flame on.EDIT: Posted first, read the article second... The Reagan quote shouldn't have been on the wall. But, in history class, if they're going over his Presidency, his religion would be brought up. Edited January 15, 2013 by RSparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopLeft Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Religion is bad, faith is good! Distinct difference. But censoring a President...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 The state, and all agents thereof, must be neutral on religion. All faiths must be equally represented or none at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopLeft Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 My issue is with the censoring. Good or bad, regardless of current political direction or religious trends, I don't feel the removal of statements from elected officials should be permitted. Let the statements stand, let the statements fall. But either way let them be heard and judged on their own merits or lack thereof.I may be way of course, but this is how I see students being lead...I appreciate the separation of church and state, most assuredly when promoted by a teacher, but this smacks of a political grab. Let the educated minds hear all of it, and learn how necessary changes have evolved (ooops, can I say "evolved"?!). If the person is deemed a bigot, hero or zero I encourage the students to discuss and decide their own opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 I have far less of an issue with Reagan's Picture and quote than I do with the whole concept of a prayer group and the other religious dribble on the walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopLeft Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 I have far less of an issue with Reagan's Picture and quote than I do with the whole concept of a prayer group and the other religious dribble on the walls.Agree with you! That is out of line, especially with a captured audience that is easily swayed by a teacher. I don't have an issue with that removal. Mine is with the statements of elected official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopLeft Posted January 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 There was nothing political about this. A student brought this to the administration's attention and they acted accordingly. Jump over to my thread and read that article. Fox isn't telling the whole tale' date=' as usual.[/quote']Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Agree with you! That is out of line, especially with a captured audience that is easily swayed by a teacher. I don't have an issue with that removal. Mine is with the statements of elected official.Doesn't matter who said it - religious bias is not allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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