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Religious conflict began as soon as there were 2 religions within marching distance of each other.

You're making a distinction that really doesn't make much a of practical difference. In the Middle east the line between race and religion is not so clear. Consider this: Murder & suicide are sins under most (if not all) religions, including Islam. But under Islam killing of the enemies of Allah is not a sin. A suicide bombing is not a sin if it can be claimed jihad. These are Islamic ideals, not Arab ideals. These are a major premise of radical Islamists within ISIS and Al Qeada. It really doesn't make a bit of difference to me if you want to refer to our enemies as radical Arabs or radical Islamists....until the moderate Islamists we let into our country under our outdated immigration policy turn into radical Islamists and try to kill us.

Crusades are indeed PC misunderstood. Prior to the crusades, attacks on Europe from the Middle East were common. Many were nothing more than pirate raids on small cities along the coast for looting and profit. Several major battles did occur, including two Muslim invasions of France from the territory of Spain. Both failed. And these battles are, in part, responsible for the advancement of European countries into the modern world. Europe was primarily feudal states before. Specifically the current day situation, it's not a religion perse as the cause, nor random terrorists. It's a modern day calipe which desires and needs both power and money to exist. Think of a calipe as a tribe. Various factions and groups and territories all under one rule of law and taxation. Using the power of terror to maintain and influence. For so many to embrace this change and ideology, shows the dispare and lack of personal advancement of the individuals. They fight not for their religious cause, but because they have nothing to lose. Yes, the countries of the Middle East where the fighters come from are to blame for creating the environment that generates these individuals. They will shift the blame to 1st world countries, but the persistant attitudes of resisting the changes of the modern world has left them in a previous century. And they have chosen a traditional solution to their problems. A caliphe and warfare. There are simularities to the crusades and the conditions and attacks that led up to those conflicts. But as it was then, it took hundreds of years to develop into mass conflict. There really wasn't a final resolution to the crusades, and in some ways this is only a continuation of prior combat. What we see now, will most likely continue for a very long time. edit: I understate the degree of major conflicts in Eastern Europe. Read the history of the Ottoman Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_wars_in_Europe

The "Politically Correct" version of the "Crusades" is a bit one sided. It was not an attack on the Muslims, It was a defense of peoples homeland. Here is a historical piece on them. http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/the-real-history-of-the-crusades From the article: Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years. With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East. That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense. I will now sit back and just watch this thread, ought to be interesting....

The crusades exterminated entire states with no mercy.

A lot of you seem to forget that Christianity engaged in a lot of what, if done today, would be considered terrorism a few centuries ago. They didn't have guns or bombs yet, so the used hundreds of thousands of men with swords. The result was the same. Millions of people killed by a militant religion.

It's bad. But thankfully found out my sister and her fiancé are ok thus far holed up at his place. Not sure if they are close to the area all this shit is going down though

I'm pretty sure this is somehow all ringo's fault.

FTFY

Because US news only reports about what happens to America or Americans. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321278/Dalai-Lama-pleads-Buddhist-monks-end-deadly-attacks-Muslims-Burma-Sri-Lanka.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Myanmar_anti-Muslim_riots http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/ http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/bodu-bala-sena http://thediplomat.com/2013/06/ashin-wirathu-the-monk-behind-burmas-buddhist-terror/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror http://www.hudson.org/research/4575-hinduism-and-terror

Per the Koran, whether taken literally or subjectively.....what the "extremist faction are doing" is not in fact very extreme, but very much being a good Muslim. Not a good Muslim......you die, not a Muslim.....you die. Anyone that believes this is a religion of peace and tolerance, is in a total delusion. Convert or die, this is the bronze age belief/thinking which is now growing by leaps and bounds in the Islamic culture and day to day life. Why the "moderate Muslims" are not doing more to actively and physically snuff out this big problem, speaks volumes to me. I have a feeling that France and much of Europe are about to become not very politically correct, they have a lot of tough decisions to make. Here in the USA and Canada......we had better get ready, cause a shit storm is brewing.

That's what I'm thinking. They're attempting to exterminate anyone who isn't Muslim.

And there are just as many examples were there was mass violence and murder that had nothing tp do with religion. If religion is the cause of all of this why are there so many other examples that dont involve religion.

Bottom line is we will never win the war on terrorism as long as we have to be so politically correct. They have no problem making us a target as white people but we can't make them a target for what they are. We have to follow some sort of moral standards and they don't.

Without going too far down the rabbit hole, offering a chance to convert does not justify murder in the name of a chosen god. Religion as a whole is a fucking murder factory that stretches back tens of thousands of years. None of them were ever right. All of them have blood on their hands and in America they operate tax free.

You do understand the crusades was the first pushback of radical Islam? The Christian response was in defense of Islam raping and pillaging into Europe.

Certainly many wars have been fought in the name of religion, but there is a MAJOR difference in what ISIS is doing. Warring armies target each other. Terrorists target anyone. The French people that died weren't combatants.

They were assholes too. All religion is is a way to govern people with the added convenience of having no borders. Think of religions like you think of countries.

So...is it a mere coincidence that most terrorist groups are full of radical islamists? Why don't you hear about many attacks by radical Buddhists, or radical Methodists, or radical Hindus?