yeah, that's absurd. I did a 3200 in 13 mins one time.... just saying... I agree with ya, if the refs can't keep up with the group, they shouldn't be reffing. *sigh* about the trophys to all the kids thing... that's frustrating. You teach kids that they get trophys for not being the best, then what are they striving for? Its like, I dont have to try, bc everyone is going to tell me how good i did even though i didn't do that well at all. When you're kid is on the losing team you say, nice job, better luck next time, it takes practice to get better. dumb.