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Try a holster that has leather that's cut up higher, night and day difference. Also, they MSRP on those Kahr's are pretty damn high. Any idea what they realistically sell for?

I had it on there, but deleted it. I'm thinking Kel Tec isn't so great for novices which is what this is geared towards. I'm not saying they are bad, they just don't fit in this list.

I had it on there, but deleted it. I'm thinking Kel Tec isn't so great for novices which is what this is geared towards. I'm not saying they are bad, they just don't fit in this list.

First post rewritten. I pulled Kel Tec off the list after a lot of thought. I'm also going to add a section for holsters. Also, when making recommendations also mention if its a Fullsize, Compact or Subcompact. Since there's no clear definition of these use your best judgement, but generally speaking a subcompact is 3" barrel with short grip, compact is 4" barrel with a midsize or shortened grip, and a fullsize is a 5" barrel with a full size grip. This of course doesn't account for everything out there, so again just make a guess.

First post rewritten. I pulled Kel Tec off the list after a lot of thought. I'm also going to add a section for holsters. Also, when making recommendations also mention if its a Fullsize, Compact or Subcompact. Since there's no clear definition of these use your best judgement, but generally speaking a subcompact is 3" barrel with short grip, compact is 4" barrel with a midsize or shortened grip, and a fullsize is a 5" barrel with a full size grip. This of course doesn't account for everything out there, so again just make a guess.

Sounds like you need a S&W M&P .45 in whatever size is comfortable to you.

Ok, thanks for the suggestions so far. This all has got me thinking and I think I need to clarify the scope of this post. I'll amend the first post as well to reflect this. These are suggestions for a novice shooter buying their first handgun. In order to fill this role it needs to not be too difficult to shoot, so I'm going to exclude anything larger than .45 ACP in semi autos and .357 magnum in revolvers for the sake of simplicity. Here is the rest of the criteria to make this list. Not making the list doesn't mean not to ever consider it, just that it's not recommended for a novice shooter. It must be: Reliable Readily available at most average gun stores Currently in production - can be bought new (no milsurp) Ammo is widely available Parts can be found locally or ordered online without too much trouble Manufacturer must warranty it and fix it if it's not right Solid fit and finish Not too far away from the average price of competitors (not overly expensive) Must be comfortable for most shooters Not meeting one of these requirements isn't an automatic disqualification but means it will have to shine elsewhere, and will get a note about issues at the top. Not meeting two keeps it off the list. Not meeting three can start to push it towards the "do not buy" list, of which I also welcome suggestions. Some examples - Rohrbaugh may make some amazing guns, but limited availability and $800+ for a .380 pocket pistol kills it. Taurus has had issues lately with reliability and finishes, so while I'm not putting them on the do not buy list, I'm not comfortable suggesting them. I'll update the first post with the suggestions so far and what I've posted here when I get a free minute.

Ok, thanks for the suggestions so far. This all has got me thinking and I think I need to clarify the scope of this post. I'll amend the first post as well to reflect this. These are suggestions for a novice shooter buying their first handgun. In order to fill this role it needs to not be too difficult to shoot, so I'm going to exclude anything larger than .45 ACP in semi autos and .357 magnum in revolvers for the sake of simplicity. Here is the rest of the criteria to make this list. Not making the list doesn't mean not to ever consider it, just that it's not recommended for a novice shooter. It must be: Reliable Readily available at most average gun stores Currently in production - can be bought new (no milsurp) Ammo is widely available Parts can be found locally or ordered online without too much trouble Manufacturer must warranty it and fix it if it's not right Solid fit and finish Not too far away from the average price of competitors (not overly expensive) Must be comfortable for most shooters Not meeting one of these requirements isn't an automatic disqualification but means it will have to shine elsewhere, and will get a note about issues at the top. Not meeting two keeps it off the list. Not meeting three can start to push it towards the "do not buy" list, of which I also welcome suggestions. Some examples - Rohrbaugh may make some amazing guns, but limited availability and $800+ for a .380 pocket pistol kills it. Taurus has had issues lately with reliability and finishes, so while I'm not putting them on the do not buy list, I'm not comfortable suggesting them. I'll update the first post with the suggestions so far and what I've posted here when I get a free minute.

I'm really digging that FNS 9. Any idea what they retail for?

Dunno, but it's a full frame car so you could probably drive it through a house and not even notice. You know, like old people do.

Let's see if we can get this rolling http://www.columbusracing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113740

Any idea why FN doesn't list the FNX on their website? http://www.fnherstal.com/primary-menu/products-capabilities/handguns.html

Buy with caution (not for new shooters) Kel-Tec (These don't excel at any one thing, but are pretty good over all. However, they are designed strictly for concealed carry, and as such they take some getting used to. It's also not unusual that they will need a trip back to the factory for some work.) Taurus (These have had finish problems and reliability problems. The factory is good at trying to fix them, but aren't always successful. Many people have had good luck though.) Do not buy: Lorcin (unreliable) Jennings (unreliable) Raven (unreliable) Hipoint (This is highly disputed. The truth is they are extremely cheap guns, reliability seems to be either perfect or awful depending on how lucky you are, but they do have a lifetime warranty, and they are very heavy and uncomfortable compared to other similar guns. Many new shooters go to them first due to price, but I can not recommend. You are better off spending the extra $100 to get a Kel-Tec.) Smith&Wesson Sigma (Similar to Hipoint - many have had good luck but just as many have outright hated them. But they are cheap. Buyer beware.)

1911 Variants This will be arranged by MSRP. I need recommendations along with the factory MSRP included. Unless noted otherwise, these are all fullsize 5" models chambered in .45 ACP. Smaller models are prone to issues. 1911 prices are all over the place. It is possible to get more features at a lower price from one company as opposed to another. Sometimes you are mainly buying a name (like the Remington), other times you are getting great value for your dollar (Like with Rock Island or STI). Buy: Under $500 Rock Island Armory Tactical - $450 (Not 100% sure on price, this is what I've found online) $500-$750 STI Spartan V - $725 Remington R1 - $729 $750-$1,000 Ruger SR1911 - $829 $1,000-$1,250 $1,250-$1,500 $1,500-$2,000 $2,000+ Don't buy:

Recommended holsters N82 Tactical Raven Safariland Crossbreed CTAC/MTAC Desantis Alien Gear Holsters to avoid Uncle Mike's Lady friendly guns Glock 42 1911

Range toys: .22 Long Rifle Browning Buckmark Ruger SR22 Ruger MK III Ruger 22/45 Smith&Wesson M&P22 Walther P22 9mm Luger (aka 9mm Parabellum, 9x19) Glock 19 (compact) Glock 17 (fullsize) Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P 9c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 3.8 (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact Walther PPQ (fullsize) Walther PPX (fullsize) .40 S&W Glock 23 (compact) Glock 22 (fullsize) Smith&Wesson M&P .40 Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P .40c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 3.8 (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact Walther PPQ (fullsize) Walther PPX (fullsize) .45 ACP (aka .45 Auto) 1911 Variant (see below) Glock 21 (fullsize) Smith&Wesson M&P .45 Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P .45 Midsize Smith&Wesson M&P .45c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K HK45c (compact) H&K HK45 (fullsize) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact

Since this pops up every few weeks, here's a list of handguns that are recommended or not recommended to buy for novice shooters. I'm not locking this thread because I need people's input. I don't know shit about revolvers so this is a group effort for sure. I'll edit the list as more people post. This will be broken down by classification of gun and purpose, so there will be some overlap. I can also add more categories later on. I am skipping certain calibers on purpose. Rounds that are good defensive rounds but are hard to come by (9x18 Makarov, .357 Sig, .45 GAP) or simply overpowered for a novice (10mm, .44 Magnum) means that the person is far less likely to train. Defensive handgunning requires training whenever possible. Everyone has an opinion on what they like. This list is more about what guns are proven to be reliable, high quality and generally well liked, along with being readily available and easy to find parts for/repair, especially for the CCW section. Because of this, regardless of how awesome one particular gun may be, if its hard to find or fix it doesn't belong on this list. Fanboys aside, I think we can all agree on what's crap and should be avoided at all costs. As for the person ultimately looking to buy something - use this list as a reference, but nothing can replace actually holding a gun and firing it. Please rent before you buy. Everyone holds a gun differently, can manipulate the mag release and slide lock differently, and rack the slide differently. Remember - train train train. Put your new gun through the paces, make sure it is reliable before depending on it with your life. Run at least a couple hundred rounds through it without an issue. If it has problems stop and evaluate the situation. Is it stovepiping, as in an empty shell is getting caught in the slide? Try locking your wrists and gripping it tighter. Is it having trouble feeding, or the slide not slamming all the way home? Make sure it's clean and lubricated, and the magazine is seated and locked in properly. Are you shooting consistently, but not where you are aiming? Have an experienced shooter give it a try - more likely than not your grip and how you are pulling the trigger is throwing off your shots. If several other people are also shooting off, or its still off when shooting from a supported rest the sights MAY need adjusted. If you are having real malfunctions, don't be afraid to send it back for warranty work instead of trying to screw with it yourself, or having Bubba down the street start mucking with it. This is one huge upside to buying new instead of used for your first gun, you aren't walking into someone else's problems. It's better to let the factory fix it than screw with it yourself. Caliber choice is a tricky one - the debate will rage on forever whether you want to have more shots (9mm) or make bigger holes (.45). Going with .40 is the compromise between the two, but with today's defensive ammo the difference between them all is pretty minimal. If you still can't decide, you can't go wrong with 9mm. It's cheaper to buy, so it's cheaper to shoot, which means you can shoot more for the same money. It's also generally softer shooting than .40 or .45 in the same platform. To keep with the theme of being suggestions for novices and for simplicity sake, I'm not going to include anything larger than .45 ACP for semi autos and .357 magnum for revolvers. Remember, these are suggestions for a novice shooter buying their first handgun. The goal is to get them into something that they enjoy immediately so they will keep shooting and not be discouraged by issues or discomfort from the start. Here is the criteria to make this list. Not making the list doesn't mean not to ever consider it, just that it's not recommended for a novice shooter. It must be: Reliable Accurate Readily available at most average gun stores Currently in production - can be bought new (no milsurp) Ammo is widely available Parts can be found locally or ordered online without too much trouble Manufacturer must warranty it and fix it if it's not right Solid fit and finish Not too far away from the average price of competitors (not overly expensive) Must be comfortable for most shooters Not meeting one of these requirements isn't an automatic disqualification but means it will have to shine elsewhere, and will get a note about issues at the top. Not meeting two keeps it off the list. Not meeting three can start to push it towards the "do not buy" list, of which I also welcome suggestions. There are also guns that fit in the gray area where they can be useful, but aren't recommended for the novice shooter. Reliability notes: .380 in general - these are generally in the "mouse gun" or "pocket pistol" classification. These all tend to be hard to rack the slide, and I don't believe any of them have been proven to be 100% reliable. Suggested use is only if subcompacts can not be properly concealed. The Glock 42 has had some minor reliability problems, but otherwise is an excellent choice in this category. Glock 19 has had a run recently with some sub-par parts, mainly involving extraction. After approximately 500-1,000 rounds they can begin extracting the brass very erratically, including into the shooter's face. They supposedly have fixed the problems. These can be fixed with aftermarket parts but it seems to be a crapshoot as to what combination of parts will fix each individual one. This problem affects Gen 3 and Gen 4 models. Problem solved. Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm full size has had issues through most of their run of the barrel unlocking from the slide too early, causing "flyers" or occasional shots being way off target. This issue can be found immediately, and there's no way to tell if it's affected or not until firing it. An aftermarket barrel fixes the problem. It is still reliable, so it is otherwise still included on the list. This issue has been claimed to have been solved several times now, not sure if it's still an issue. RECOMMENDED: Concealed Carry: .380 ACP (aka 9mm Kurz, 9x17mm, 9mm short) Glock 42 Sig Sauer P238 Smith&Wesson Bodyguard Walther PK380 9mm Luger (aka 9mm Parabellum, 9x19) CZ 75 Compact CZ P-01 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) Glock 19 (compact) Glock 26 (subcompact) Glock 43 (single stack subcompact) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Sig Sauer P239 (subcompact) Sig Sauer P938 (subcompact) Ruger LC9 (subcompact) Ruger SR9c (compact) Smith&Wesson Shield 9mm (subcompact, single stack) Smith&Wesson M&P 9c (compact) Springfield XD Subcompact Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact Springfield XD-S (subcompact, single stack) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP Compact Walther PPS (subcompact) .40 S&W CZ P-06 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) Glock 23 (compact) Glock 27 (subcompact) Ruger SR40c (compact) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Sig Sauer P239 (subcompact) Smith&Wesson Shield .40 (subcompact, single stack) Smith&Wesson M&P .40c (compact) Springfield XD Subcompact Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact Springfield XD-S (subcompact, single stack) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP Compact Walther PPS (subcompact) .38 Special/.357 Magnum (revolver) Ruger LCR Smith&Wesson J Frame .45 ACP (.45 Auto) Glock 30 (subcompact) Glock 36 (subcompact, single stack) Springfield XD-S (subcompact, single stack) Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact H&K USP Compact Nightstand/Home Defense duty: 9mm Luger (aka 9mm Parabellum, 9x19) CZ 75 (fullsize) CZ 75 Compact CZ P-01 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) CZ P-09 Duty (fullsize) FN FNS (fullsize) FN FNP (fullsize) FN FNX (fullsize) Glock 19 (compact) Glock 17 (fullsize) Ruger SR9c (compact) Sig Sauer P226 (fullsize) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P 9c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 3.8 (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact Walther PPQ (fullsize) Walther PPX (fullsize) .40 S&W CZ 75 (fullsize) CZ P-06 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) CZ P-09 Duty (fullsize) FN FNS (fullsize) FN FNP (fullsize) FN FNX (fullsize) Glock 23 (compact) Glock 22 (fullsize) Ruger SR40c (compact) Sig Sauer P226 (fullsize) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Smith&Wesson M&P .40 Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P .40c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 3.8 (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact Walther PPQ (fullsize) Walther PPX (fullsize) .38 Special/.357 Magnum (revolver) Smith&Wesson K frame Smith&Wesson L frame .45 ACP (aka .45 Auto) 1911 Variant (see below) Glock 21 (fullsize) FN FNP (fullsize) FN FNX (fullsize) Smith&Wesson M&P .45 Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P .45 Midsize Smith&Wesson M&P .45c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K HK45c (compact) H&K HK45 (fullsize) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact

Since this pops up every few weeks, here's a list of handguns that are recommended or not recommended to buy for novice shooters. I'm not locking this thread because I need people's input. I don't know shit about revolvers so this is a group effort for sure. I'll edit the list as more people post. This will be broken down by classification of gun and purpose, so there will be some overlap. I can also add more categories later on. I am skipping certain calibers on purpose. Rounds that are good defensive rounds but are hard to come by (9x18 Makarov, .357 Sig, .45 GAP) or simply overpowered for a novice (10mm, .44 Magnum) means that the person is far less likely to train. Defensive handgunning requires training whenever possible. Everyone has an opinion on what they like. This list is more about what guns are proven to be reliable, high quality and generally well liked, along with being readily available and easy to find parts for/repair, especially for the CCW section. Because of this, regardless of how awesome one particular gun may be, if its hard to find or fix it doesn't belong on this list. Fanboys aside, I think we can all agree on what's crap and should be avoided at all costs. As for the person ultimately looking to buy something - use this list as a reference, but nothing can replace actually holding a gun and firing it. Please rent before you buy. Everyone holds a gun differently, can manipulate the mag release and slide lock differently, and rack the slide differently. Remember - train train train. Put your new gun through the paces, make sure it is reliable before depending on it with your life. Run at least a couple hundred rounds through it without an issue. If it has problems stop and evaluate the situation. Is it stovepiping, as in an empty shell is getting caught in the slide? Try locking your wrists and gripping it tighter. Is it having trouble feeding, or the slide not slamming all the way home? Make sure it's clean and lubricated, and the magazine is seated and locked in properly. Are you shooting consistently, but not where you are aiming? Have an experienced shooter give it a try - more likely than not your grip and how you are pulling the trigger is throwing off your shots. If several other people are also shooting off, or its still off when shooting from a supported rest the sights MAY need adjusted. If you are having real malfunctions, don't be afraid to send it back for warranty work instead of trying to screw with it yourself, or having Bubba down the street start mucking with it. This is one huge upside to buying new instead of used for your first gun, you aren't walking into someone else's problems. It's better to let the factory fix it than screw with it yourself. Caliber choice is a tricky one - the debate will rage on forever whether you want to have more shots (9mm) or make bigger holes (.45). Going with .40 is the compromise between the two, but with today's defensive ammo the difference between them all is pretty minimal. If you still can't decide, you can't go wrong with 9mm. It's cheaper to buy, so it's cheaper to shoot, which means you can shoot more for the same money. It's also generally softer shooting than .40 or .45 in the same platform. To keep with the theme of being suggestions for novices and for simplicity sake, I'm not going to include anything larger than .45 ACP for semi autos and .357 magnum for revolvers. Remember, these are suggestions for a novice shooter buying their first handgun. The goal is to get them into something that they enjoy immediately so they will keep shooting and not be discouraged by issues or discomfort from the start. Here is the criteria to make this list. Not making the list doesn't mean not to ever consider it, just that it's not recommended for a novice shooter. It must be: Reliable Accurate Readily available at most average gun stores Currently in production - can be bought new (no milsurp) Ammo is widely available Parts can be found locally or ordered online without too much trouble Manufacturer must warranty it and fix it if it's not right Solid fit and finish Not too far away from the average price of competitors (not overly expensive) Must be comfortable for most shooters Not meeting one of these requirements isn't an automatic disqualification but means it will have to shine elsewhere, and will get a note about issues at the top. Not meeting two keeps it off the list. Not meeting three can start to push it towards the "do not buy" list, of which I also welcome suggestions. There are also guns that fit in the gray area where they can be useful, but aren't recommended for the novice shooter. Reliability notes: .380 in general - these are generally in the "mouse gun" or "pocket pistol" classification. These all tend to be hard to rack the slide, and I don't believe any of them have been proven to be 100% reliable. Suggested use is only if subcompacts can not be properly concealed. The Glock 42 has had some minor reliability problems, but otherwise is an excellent choice in this category. Glock 19 has had a run recently with some sub-par parts, mainly involving extraction. After approximately 500-1,000 rounds they can begin extracting the brass very erratically, including into the shooter's face. They supposedly have fixed the problems. These can be fixed with aftermarket parts but it seems to be a crapshoot as to what combination of parts will fix each individual one. This problem affects Gen 3 and Gen 4 models. Problem solved. Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm full size has had issues through most of their run of the barrel unlocking from the slide too early, causing "flyers" or occasional shots being way off target. This issue can be found immediately, and there's no way to tell if it's affected or not until firing it. An aftermarket barrel fixes the problem. It is still reliable, so it is otherwise still included on the list. This issue has been claimed to have been solved several times now, not sure if it's still an issue. RECOMMENDED: Concealed Carry: .380 ACP (aka 9mm Kurz, 9x17mm, 9mm short) Glock 42 Sig Sauer P238 Smith&Wesson Bodyguard Walther PK380 9mm Luger (aka 9mm Parabellum, 9x19) CZ 75 Compact CZ P-01 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) Glock 19 (compact) Glock 26 (subcompact) Glock 43 (single stack subcompact) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Sig Sauer P239 (subcompact) Sig Sauer P938 (subcompact) Ruger LC9 (subcompact) Ruger SR9c (compact) Smith&Wesson Shield 9mm (subcompact, single stack) Smith&Wesson M&P 9c (compact) Springfield XD Subcompact Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact Springfield XD-S (subcompact, single stack) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP Compact Walther PPS (subcompact) .40 S&W CZ P-06 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) Glock 23 (compact) Glock 27 (subcompact) Ruger SR40c (compact) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Sig Sauer P239 (subcompact) Smith&Wesson Shield .40 (subcompact, single stack) Smith&Wesson M&P .40c (compact) Springfield XD Subcompact Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact Springfield XD-S (subcompact, single stack) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP Compact Walther PPS (subcompact) .38 Special/.357 Magnum (revolver) Ruger LCR Smith&Wesson J Frame .45 ACP (.45 Auto) Glock 30 (subcompact) Glock 36 (subcompact, single stack) Springfield XD-S (subcompact, single stack) Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact H&K USP Compact Nightstand/Home Defense duty: 9mm Luger (aka 9mm Parabellum, 9x19) CZ 75 (fullsize) CZ 75 Compact CZ P-01 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) CZ P-09 Duty (fullsize) FN FNS (fullsize) FN FNP (fullsize) FN FNX (fullsize) Glock 19 (compact) Glock 17 (fullsize) Ruger SR9c (compact) Sig Sauer P226 (fullsize) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P 9c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 3.8 (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact Walther PPQ (fullsize) Walther PPX (fullsize) .40 S&W CZ 75 (fullsize) CZ P-06 (compact) CZ P-07 Duty (compact) CZ P-09 Duty (fullsize) FN FNS (fullsize) FN FNP (fullsize) FN FNX (fullsize) Glock 23 (compact) Glock 22 (fullsize) Ruger SR40c (compact) Sig Sauer P226 (fullsize) Sig Sauer P229 (compact) Smith&Wesson M&P .40 Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P .40c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 3.8 (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K P30 (compact) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact Walther PPQ (fullsize) Walther PPX (fullsize) .38 Special/.357 Magnum (revolver) Smith&Wesson K frame Smith&Wesson L frame .45 ACP (aka .45 Auto) 1911 Variant (see below) Glock 21 (fullsize) FN FNP (fullsize) FN FNX (fullsize) Smith&Wesson M&P .45 Fullsize Smith&Wesson M&P .45 Midsize Smith&Wesson M&P .45c (compact) Springfield XD Service (compact) Springfield XDM 4.5 (fullsize) H&K HK45c (compact) H&K HK45 (fullsize) H&K USP (fullsize) H&K USP Compact

It seems like this should be a sticky. I guess I'll work on it.

9mm: Glock 19 Glock 17 Smith&Wesson Shield Smith&Wesson 9c I don't shoot .40 as it seems to me like its just a compromise between 9mm and .45 ACP. It just seems silly to me. I'd rather have the extra capacity or the extra punch, not half of both. For a starter 1911 look at the Rock Island Armory Tactical, or go to Gun Envy and ask them to get you an STI Spartan. I've seen one in their display once so I know they can get them. Both are somewhere in the $500-$1,000 range, just not totally sure where in that range they are these days.

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Grey on grey. It just got a bath, I'll try and snap some pics before the gf drags me off to her mom's house

Nope, not a wagon. 93,xxx miles.

*SOLD* Selling for my grandfather. 1988 Chevy Caprice 4 door sedan, carbureted 305 V8. It's in pretty good shape, runs good, no rust, chrome looks good. Has some scratches and dings. It's been mostly garaged for the 15+ years that he's owned it, and its barely been driven during the winter since he's left it in the garage here while he's been in Florida. He finally sold his place here and doesn't want to take it down there with him. Pics to come. Asking $1900. No trades.

Makes cents. At work I used to have full bar all the time, then one day a month or so ago it just went to complete shit. At home I used to always have one or two bar, but never roaming and always 3g, now its all over the place, usually for the worse. If they can't get everything running smoothly by the time my contract is up next year I'm gone, the gf and I both had to have our Evo LTEs replaced twice for various issues and service has been getting worse and worse.