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this baby's got the best muffler.  muffler for miles.

imagine all the pool tables he'd have to sell to make this happen

do orientals get a discount?

taking control of those things away from states would be pretty unconstitutional though.

it's not ok to riot in the streets of portland and it's not ok to mob the capitol building.  why is this hard?  get it together, people.

my Mattis rookie card is worth big money now, not sure where you're getting "overrated" from.  it's worth like tree fitty at least.

7 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said:

You also own a cruiser.

you don't get to give me any lip about old people vehicles you filthy slut

Just now, Pauly said:

Don't ride one. You could fit so many dead cats in this baby. 

Sounds like I can start my very own food truck/bike service 

Haha OLD

just kidding congrats!

HAHAHAHA OLD

1 minute ago, Pauly said:

I have ridden with both and this is impossible. 

but AT THE SAME TIME?!??

what if i told you kozmo and doc are the same person?

2 hours ago, Howabusa said:

I don’t remember who I heard it from, Tonik wanted to be able to edit your own comments in the chat box. Casper said no, and then edited a comment that Tonik left there. Tonik was pissed and disappeared from the board. 

If they're still riding together right meow I hope they kiss (passionately) and make up. 

Just now, Pauly said:

Who went to NC? 

Clue: his first name is a palindrome

1 hour ago, Howabusa said:

You will notice that I said, I believe. That’s because I didn’t know for sure if that was true. 

i wanna know what did or didn't happen that made you think they hated each other.  this fan-fic ain't gonna write itself haha

Since unfettered drama mongering isn't panning out, I guess I'll have to start writing fanfiction of Casper and Tonik and Pauly going on a most excellent polar bear adventure. 

I'm slowly destroying the lives of all the mods from all directions so that they are forced to make me a mod.  You're wellllllcoooooome.

What do you have against Ginsburg that you celebrate her death?  I'm assuming that's what this is about. If it's about something else then let me in on the joke bruh

Hahaha

5 hours ago, CJ74U2NV said:

IIRC, the ENVO N95 can present a 100% seal.  Those and all the way up to a hazmat suit.  
EDIT ON MASKS:  Removing and disposing of a mask is more dangerous from a virology stand point than just wearing it around.  It's the same for any contamination protections.  And if someone spits in your face (or blows droplets in your face) the virus will enter via your eyes which renders the mask useless.  But again, if the mask were effective, we wouldn't need social distancing or restrictions/closings for businesses.  

I'm not the one moving goal posts.  Your closure list can be found here:  https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/responsible-restart-ohio/continued-business-closures/continued-business-closures

• Older adult day care services and senior centers. (Will be permitted to open Sept. 21.)
• Adult day support or vocational habilitation services in congregate settings. (A congregate setting is defined as a single location where more than 10 people are present in confined space.)
• Rooming and boarding houses, and workers’ camps.
• Certain entertainment/recreation sites.
• Includes:
  • Auditoriums, stadiums, arenas.
  • Performance theatres and indoor concert and music halls.
  • Parades, fairs, festivals, and carnivals. (Junior fair activities at county fairs are permitted with 10 p.m. curfew.)
  • Certain spectator sports, sports tournaments, and organized recreational sports leagues. (Skills training, practice, and scrimmages for all sports is permitted. Non-contact and limited-contact sports are permitted. Batting cages, bowling alleys, tennis facilities, and golf courses are permitted to open.)
  • Some public and private pools. (Public pools and club pools regulated by local health departments are permitted to open. Use of swimming pools for single households also is permitted.)

I've looked up the numbers and have provided several sources.  All I've gotten in return is chest beating egos and irrational backtracking.  Right "broseph"?

So you're capable of looking up stuff and believe the info presented on the leftist science site but not the why? How do you pick and choose what to believe of this dastardly leftist science/black magic?! 

As for the things that are closed, let's talk about that. Can you do a quick search for "covid deaths nursing home" and tell me what you get?  It might provide an answer as to why they might be "closing" anything where large numbers of those susceptible to complications from covid-19 gather in close spaces, they tend to catch it, spread it to each other and die? Do any of those places/businesses on that list sound like maybe what I just described could happen? That's just one way you can figure out why some of these things like closures and restrictions may be happening.  And one last time, because I know I told you this before but you seem to ignore the salient points of anything at all: I was not a fan of how the closures took place, and I would probably have favored a strict isolation of those at risk and let those who want/willing to risk it for money/livelihoods sign a bunch of waivers and get to living life with some restrictions.  But maybe if I knew the things those leftist sciencey witches at the head of state and federal government knew, maybe I wouldn't? I dunno.

Ok, you keep going on about how you did the research and know the numbers and cited the sources... If you took any of this shit seriously, you would know that just about any peer reviewed health and medical research shows that masks work to reduce the spread of covid (containment of droplets, discussed in the very article you posted) and how the fact that people infected with it can spread it without knowing they have it (asymptomatic spread) and why social distancing is important (reducing concentrated exposure to respiratory droplets) and why we need to keep it from spreading for the sake of those who are at risk (read literally any article breaking down the mortality rates by age and comorbidities). And I asked before, but seriously, look up the mortality rate again.  I mean, I know you already did but your chest beating ego just can't handle it, but I just want you to read the numbers and compare it to what you believed this whole time.  If you read the data and the science behind the spread and can cite it (except, you know... the parts you had wrong up until now) but you still think masks while in groups in close quarters is just too much damn trouble?  What exactly are you reading?

The one who is finally catching up to the plot is you.  It's ok to be wrong, we are all wrong sometimes.  It is NOT ok to find out you're wrong and yet keep spreading the wrong information while knowing the CDC and every other health resource disagrees with you after dedicating all their resources to solve this thing since the pandemic started.  You don't like being told you're wrong by some stranger on a bike forum, fine.  I wouldn't believe me either, why would you, so many hurtful words were said.  Go ask a doctor or a nurse.  Ask an ICU nurse if you should wear a mask.  Ask them to explain how masks work or don't work.  Email any of those people cited in the CDC write ups or that video I posted showing how respiratory droplets spread during even quiet conversation.  What is to be gained by lying to you?

45 minutes ago, snot said:

So as an EHS specialist in will add the following:

Mask - depends on the income but yes there are mask that do seal 100% to your face when don correctly. However, a medical evaluation is required in the business sector prior to use per OSHA (there are cases where people fail the evaluation and are NOT permitted to wear them for health reasons). Mask do have a life span, cloth face coverings are not "mask" defined by OSHA.

The fibers you can breath in from disposable paper mask (wearing past life span or incorrectly) could be harmful (need more research). 

In certain industries and environments mask can cause a hazard (heat, welding, electric, food, machining) if the wrong kind is used.

In general public areas where no other physical hazards are present: face coverings can help prevent spit from landing in your mouth from others. Try spotting into someone's mouth when you are wearing a mask.

This is the and of my .02

 

 

just so we're not losing context here, the "100% sealing mask" was brought up because i was pointing out that widely available masks do not seal 100% which is why we have distancing guidelines, which should not be difficult to grasp but apparently was for "it's a jeep thing" guy.  so if you're about to show me some very expensive, specialized, not available to the general public mask, then you are missing the point of the discussion.  that all said, please show me these masks that i could have been using this whole time that is 100% sealing.

1 minute ago, CJ74U2NV said:

HurrrrDurrrrrrr

Way to address the core of my responses.

Lol show me this magical 100% seal mask that people can feasibly buy and use in public. 

Don't move the goalposts, of course there will be restrictions, I'm pretty sure I pointed that out?  And tell me what businesses are still closed?  Also did you miss the part where I noted that I disagreed with the way the shut down was handled?  Get it together. 

Seriously, look up the .026 number.  It's not that hard to get it right.  And you're critically misunderstanding why people talk about the fact that it's so widely asymptomatic and why it makes it so dangerous.  Learn. To. Read.

5 hours ago, CJ74U2NV said:

The first paragraph The study concluded that moisture retention, reuse, and poor filtration could increase wearers’ risk of infection.

N95 masks do work, but there you go again with the "in combination with the 6 feet rule".  
EDIT:  No one wears N95 and no one covers their eyes or other entry points for the virus.

Answer these questions please and try to do so without personal attacks.  You can be a dickhead in person is you think it's smart:

1.  Why do we need 6 feet apart rule if masks work?
2.  If masks work, why do we need to continue to shut down everything?
3.  Why would you wear a mask or shut down an economy over a virus with a .026% mortality rate?
4.  Why would you wear a mask or shut down an economy over a virus with a 40% asymptomatic rate?
5.  Why don't we take such drastic measures about things that really are much more deadly?
 

Don't act like you've been the perfect cordial gentleman here in this thread.  people who act like snarky assholes don't get to complain when others respond in kind.  i've tried to answer your 5 extremely google-able questions below with minimal snark.  but really, this stuff is readily available to read on the internet from reputable medical and health resources that have no reason to lie to you.

1. Because like everything else, and as even you have mentioned, there is no mask that is 100% sealed.  What it DOES do is contain respiratory droplets, and when everyone is wearing it, it does it really well.  Seriously, watch those videos about how the masks work, there are many posted on youtube, including the one i posted.

2. umm what's shut down still?  NFL?  seriously?

3.  .026%? where did you get that number from?  also, i'll bet something shiny that if you knew you had contracted COVID, and you had someone you loved who was elderly, immuno compromised, or had worries about risks, you wouldn't go near them because if you've read enough about this to see the .026% somewhere (still not sure where that came from?)  Why do I say that?  Because you're probably mistaking .26% which was a number listed as a possible estimated mortality rate of COVID by the CDC (I mean, you were only off by like 1000%, but whatever) which is roughly DOUBLE the mortality rate of seasonal flu which already kills hundreds of thousands of the type of people i mentioned earlier.  I know I wouldn't go near someone who's at risk of seriously health complications from even something like the flu, much less something like COVID which can basically decimate the population of a nursing home if left unchecked like it did early on.  so why would you wear a mask?  the same reason I have a CHL, WHY THE FUCK NOT?  shutting down the economy?  well, we shut down parts of the economy that were deemed non-critical which sucked.  i didn't agree with the way it was done either, but considering the rush to act, i understood.  it definitely could have been done better.

4. I want to make sure you understand what asymptomatic means.  it means you could potentially not feel a single symptom, and yet, be spewing it out into the air as you rant about masks or genders to your poor grandparents or other friends/family that have diabetes or high blood pressure or have COPD or asthma or god knows what else that are high risk for serious complications if THEY contract COVID from you who were lucky and were asymptomatic.  at least with the flu or a cold, you get sick and you know you're sick so you know to stay away from other people so they don't get sick.  With COVID, you could be infected, but not know it and THAT is why it's so dangerous.  This shit is all out there in google land.

5. Like what?  The flu, which even by the most conservative estimates is HALF the mortality rate?  Are you aware that every year, millions of vaccines are shot in to the arms of people so they don't get sick and possibly die?  It kinda sounds like we take it seriously.  are you aware that small children get vaccinated against all sorts of illnesses and by doing this, we have all but eradicated very serious illnesses that have killed millions of people in the past?

ever had pneumonia as a complication of the flu?  me neither, but i've read and heard enough about it to know i don't want to get it and don't want my little kids to get sick and develop pneumonia.  or may elderly parents (67+ yrs old) or people who I work with that have COPD or diabetes or whatever else that have co-morbidities with respiratory illnesses like the flu and obviously, COVID.  if we had a vaccine for COVID we would all be shooting up like it's meth in ashtabula or southern ohio.

English may not be his native/primary language based on what appears to be a lack of basic comprehension of the "discussion" taking place here.