Steve Butters

^ wow!

his criminal list is a mile long ....the article shows he was in prison for having a bunch of illegal guns (unregistered full autos and short barrels) also says he has had a bunch of investigations of his property and animal cruelty charges etc but nothing stuck i didnt think about releasing them and offing himself - i definitely see this as something that could happen and i wont argue about his facility - the article says he was investigated for animal cruelty and poor living conditions for animals etc, so im sure they would have been better off in a proper place anyways but i didnt know the guy and never saw his place, and as far as i could tell none of the charges stuck on him for animal cruelty - so i wont say for certain i know, just pointing out what the news article said

umm...why would they give the person a reward then for helping?

it says it was an animal rescue - it also says the guy was dead and the animals were set free....sounds like it wasnt the owners fault, sounds like some damn PETA wackjob wannabe killed the guy and let them "free"

apparently NOT

why not take the animals to a zoo? makes no sense to just go on a shooting rampage

I've considered a RIA but after handling the colt I fell in love lol

i really liked the feel of the PT1911 i held at gander, it was the standard black one....even though its a cheap 1911, i really like them im torn between a 5", 3" or keeping my sk lol ive never fired a 1911 though, so im hesitant

thousands is like pennies when you talk about government spending....BFD imo

there shouldnt even be talks about this....the guys are dead, let them come home....wtf is wrong with n korea

was yours DA/SA or LEM? mine is DA/SA, i hear they dont shoot as well as the LEM, but i liked DA/SA operation for carry since theres no external safety

theres a defender for sale on the west side for $800....I could probably get $700 out of my HK but it may take awhile to sell...he isnt interested in trades, and is firm on his price does this sound like a good price? or should i hold out and wait for a cheaper one or try to sell my HK first? i could cash advance my credit line i use for school and pick it up and then pay it back with the HK selling...or i could just wait...the price seems good, but im not sure its one of those "jump on it" prices...i saw one new for $999, and gander wanted $1099 i think. also still looking for more opinions on carrying a 3" 1911

i already have this feeling and i dont even own one lol...i would like to buy a 3" and a 5" but its not in the budget right now its taking a lot of restraint to not go buy the defender and "pay it off later" lol...just dont wanna put it on credit while im still in school, it would be easier to sell the HK and pick one up

Yea im not overly worried on grouping size, but its the fact that i shot the j frame so much better that makes me question my HK. Under stress and in a defensive situation, my shots will be less accurate im sure (although most likely closer than 7 yards)....i still feel comfortable carrying the HK - but im not opposed to something i shoot better the width and weight of the defender are what i really liked....but i also handled a PT1911 taurus and i liked it also...that would mean no more pocket carry and its a bit on the heavy side - so im not sure about a 5"

thanks for the review....i dont shoot the HK well which is another reason ive thought about getting something else, but im sure some more range time wouldnt hurt me if i decide to keep it...i was shooting 6" groups at 7 yards, and i feel thats not very good....i see people on an HK forum with the same gun shooting 2" groups at 10 yards...shot a j frame the other day and was shooting 1" groups at 7yds, so i figure i just dont shoot the HK well, idk lol i think the defender will conceal better - so i might try IWB again if i pick one up, but my pocket holster covered most of the gun so im not overly worried about it...i carry my HK with one in the chamber and it doesnt even have a safety and theres no issues

i carry in either a blackhawk pocket holster or an OWB holster - my HK doesnt carry well IWB (if i got a 5", i would carry OWB and maybe give IWB another shot, idk) curious why you say pocket carry wouldnt be good with a 1911 vs a polymer? what would the difference be? holster covers the trigger, and the safety would be on, plus the grip safety i liked the rubber grips on it - but i would possibly try some slim grips also how was accuracy with it? recoil? any reliability issues?

just went to gander and fondled some 1911s and now i want one bad how are they for carry? 5" vs 3"? i like full size 1911s for accuracy and range time etc, but i like 3" for being able to pocket carry (checked fit at the store and it fit) i really liked the colt defender i held i have a p2000sk i would have to unload to be able to afford one - so im very hesitant, i have a lot in my HK so i would hate to sell it and then have sellers remorse looking for opinion on poly vs a 1911 for carry, and 5" vs 3" 1911 for carry i think the 3" 1911 was lighter than my HK - but i held it unloaded so im not sure...it has less capacity so i think it should even out with my 40 loaded

ben your OP is how i view the united states too lol

damn this sounds like a blast, i wish i still had my C5L

yep - definitely the 4" service model http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=75 aside from the grip being longer - the rail is also different on the two, the sc has one notch in it and the service has two

it isnt a SC

i had my slide brushed in hard chrome for carry - will hold up to anything i throw it, less holster wear, less corrosion, etc...couldnt be happier

http://www.ohioriders.net/member.php?u=1074 says he was on yesterday

attackpainter lives near columbus thats his s/n if you want to look him up and message him

not in cinci, but attackpainter does great work - he hooked me up repairing a custom paint job i thought for sure nobody could ever match