chevysoldier

Go look at the title and track down the owner listed on it to see if it's legit?

There's a midget with a hammer inside.

That's good.

Hope I can make this but everything has been so busy for me lately that I won't know until it gets closer.

I totally agree with john. To each his own. My original thought was that I don't get the upside other than because you can. My preference is CC. In my field of work (not a cop) you have to think like a criminal. If I was going to shoot up a school, mall, rob etc. I would take out the threats first. OC is not a deterrent if I have the drop. A deterrent is where are the guns i cant see! Any columbus residents remember the officer that was shot at the whitehall 5/3 bank. Robber took him out first then robbed. If an OC citizen were in line, he would be next. Guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I realize I went off topic in that the original post was how the police handled the Philly situation so I apologize. I will just take my twat and BMW to my room and think about my actions.

Yeah, I'll give you in some instances OC can make you the first target. But most of the time they don't. Most criminals don't want to risk dying for some money. And for someone who says they have to think like a criminal, you admit to not doing any research into actual situations? Go to google and find out how many times someone open carrying was the first target. You won't find many, like I said before.

A deterrent is where are the guns i cant see!

How is something you can't see deter someone? That makes no sense.

Now could you please?

1) lol, are you telling me you've see criminals carrying openly committing a crime?

2) Why is it I should have to put myself into other peoples shoes? You never hear "why don't you put yourself into the open carriers shoes."?

3) Where are you getting your real life experiences from? 4) Do you frequent forums of open carriers and their experiences? 5) Or do you only listen to the few things the slanted news leads you to believe?

meh...

Which question did that answer? lol

Have you seen my balls? Big and shiny brass

I heard his are bigger, shinier and made of steel.

Welcome. Go south to Hocking or East to Coshocton. If you ride really fast, WV is within an hour.

Afro must have bigger balls than S'WingR.

like i said earlier, open carry is simply a choice that we have. its not for everyone. you prefer concealed, someone else may prefer open. neither of you are right or wrong.

This. I don't care if you open carry it or conceal it. I haven't once told you sunseeker, that concealing it is dumb and asking for trouble. But your reasonong of why not to OC are very mislead. You say that is is my fault the cop harassed me because he was having a bad day. I say I will not give up my liberties because a cop doesn't know his duty.

Wow. So personal. Twat. So adult.

He only used your method of thinking.

Actually I do carry concealed almost everywhere. Like they say, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by six. I just wonder if you choose where you carry open. Would you carry open walking down parsons ave or livingston ave & oakwood ave. or would you just do this in suburbia where you are most likely in the company of law abiding citizens. My guess is you would cover that puppy up in the ghetto where the predators are. Be bold and righteous amongst the middle class.

Okay, so you are aware enough of the laws to know where it's illegal to carry, but do anyways. Got it.

Secondly, I don't frequent places like that because I don't want to put myself into a position that I could avoid. I don't OC all the time. I choose OC or CC based on the situations I could find myself in or where I will be that day. For example, I'd conceal at a kids birthday party because I don't want all the kids trying to play with my gun.

Lastly, could you answer the rest of the stuff in my post? I think I have been pretty accommodating with answering your questions.

1) lol, are you telling me you've see criminals carrying openly committing a crime?

2) Why is it I should have to put myself into other peoples shoes? You never hear "why don't you put yourself into the open carriers shoes."?

3) Where are you getting your real life experiences from? 4) Do you frequent forums of open carriers and their experiences? 5) Or do you only listen to the few things the slanted news leads you to believe?

When I was in the Corps we OCd all the time.

Jussayin'.

I <3 you.

You really think I'd walk around concealed without a voice recorder? The voice recorder has nothing to do with open carry... and has everything to do with recording evidence. Also' date=' are you in favor of citizens not familiarizing themselves with ORC, and it's impact on firearm carry?

You know.. I'd have a lot easier time if officers would learn their job... like I have to learn mine. Not hatin'... just sayin'.[/quote']

I keep trying to rep you but it won't let me.

Well it is comforting to know that all the guns I see on people's hips are good law abiding citizens. Comfort level is not a protected right, true. But my point is some time you have to put yourself in other people's shoes. The cop who just got shot at or the convenience store employee who just got robbed may be a little alarmed. Guess not an issue as long as you can exercise all your rights. Again my opinion. I have not googled a research paper on this subject. I prefer to get my information from actual life experiences. Carry concealed. Saves you from carrying around a recorder, memorizing city codes, And suing cities. Seems like alot of work.

lol, are you telling me you've see criminals carrying openly committing a crime?

It is the cops duty to uphold the law, not make it how he sees fit. What did the person in the video do that made the cop so jumpy? Walking down the street? Wow, yeah that was threatening alright.

Why is it I should have to put myself into other peoples shoes? You never hear "why don't you put yourself into the open carriers shoes."? Hell, I've been shot at. I know what bullets whistling inches from your head sound like. I know what it's like to have someone trying to kill you. But I also know that not everyone around me is out to kill me and I don't go treating everyone as such. Yeah, we are human and you might be on edge. But a professional officer should not have gone into this situation how he did.

I didn't give you but one paper someone wrote. (I think just one) The others were news articles. Where are you getting your real life experiences from? Do you open carry yourself? Do you frequent forums of open carriers and their experiences? Or do you only listen to the few things the slanted news leads you to believe?

I know people who only carry concealed who still carry a recorder. If they get stopped by a LEO they are required to inform and in case of that bad cop, they record the convo in case the cop takes advantage of them. Also, only concealing doesn't mean you shouldn't know the laws and what your limits are. You know you can't carry into a place serving alcohol correct? I'm sure you do. Your argument about not needing to know laws holds no water.

I've also have never sued anyone due to carrying. Most I know haven't either. But there are also CC'ers who have sued so that isn't limited to OC'ing.

Absolutely irrelevant. Your comfort isn't a protected right.

But I have the right to pursue happiness! Oh that's right. Pursuing is not the same as deserving.

*It really irritates the shit out of "The Man".

This too!

BTW. I OC'd all day today. Went to an auction and they were selling some firearms. The auctioneer made a comment that when someone placed a winning bid, the gun would be taken to the counter because it made them uncomfortable with people walking around with guns. This was said in a joking manner and a couple of people turned around, looked at me, then my sidearm, back at me and just laughed. There was also a guy carrying IWB and his shirt road up and exposed it. People saw it, said "oh cool, look at that." and that was it.

Then I went to dinner at a restaurant and OC'ed. (no alcohol served at this establishment). No issues at all, no one cared or gave me funny looks.

I totally agree that it is legal and you have the right to not be harassed. BUT this is not a state where it is common place and arouses suspicion when a person walks down the street with a sidearm exposed. Do your own stats. Next time your out open carrying, ask those around you if they are uncomfortable that you are standing next to them with an exposed gun. What if a guy is walking in a known drug area of town strapped? What if a guy in suburbia does it? Guarantee the guy in the drug area will get a thousand calls to 911 and he will be questioned. Guess the guy in suburbia should be left alone. It's a no-win for police. Again, it's not can you, it's should you? Why do you?

Why would I want to ask people around me and bring attention to my self? How many bad guys do you see walk around with guns out in the open on their hips? You think the guy walking in to rob the gas station is wearing his on is belt in a serpa retention holster? Or does he have it stuffed in his waistband or pocket?

Why do I?

*I have nothing to hide.

*A right not exercised is a right lost.

*I find the deterrent factor outweighs the "tactical surprise" in many cases.

*If someone sees me open carrying a gun and not being a threat to them, hopefully that helps guns rights and to get rid of many of the stupid anti gun laws.

*It is easier to draw from a holster outside my pants than having to lift my shirt and draw it from inside my waistband.

I wanna drive it!

No, she posts for attention.

That's good. I like it a lot.

It's a good thing some police are willing to violate our rights for doing absolutely nothing illegal. Ridiculous. I seriously can't believe you see nothing wrong with a citizen, who has rights, being treated this way for being well within the law. I'd love to see you get treated this way for doing nothing wrong and then lets see how your tune would change.

Totally disappointed here. 3 pages of posts, and this hasn't devolved into an interwebz ghey fest yet, with hopes of spooning and rough man-love. Way too flowery and romantic like.... Fail.

I'm on page one.