And to the comment about slower riders in the fron ton group rides: Most, if not all of the rides I've been on it has been said that the slower riders need not try to keep up if it's beyond their abilities, that the group WILL wait. Myself, I would not like having a knowingly faster rider behind me, having the feeling that I was holding them up, without someone in front of me running good lines to learn from. It is my opinion, and I understand why you have your opinion on the matter. Neither is going to be a perfect solution by any stretch of the imagination.