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Link: http://theweek.com/article/index/274141/speedreads-gun-control-psa-urges-kids-to-steal-parents-guns-and-give-them-to-teachers Quoted from Yahoo The controversial Dec. 13 clip from Sleeper 13 Productions in San Francisco, titled “Stop Gun Violence - PSA,” shows a teenage boy take a handgun from his mother’s dresser drawer, stash it in his backpack, and bring it to class. Walking up to his teacher after the period ends, the student slaps the gun on her desk. “Can you take this away?” the child actor asks the shocked teacher. “I don’t feel safe with a gun in my house.” Then the messages “Our children deserve a safe world” and “Stop gun violence now” are plastered onscreen before production credits run, notably lacking any sponsors or collaborating organizations. The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms even put out a press release detailing the number of crimes depicted in the piece. “We’re talking about felony theft of a firearm, illegal possession of a handgun by a minor, having a gun in a school, illegal concealed carry by a minor, brandishing and maybe one or two other crimes, depending upon the jurisdiction,” wrote chairman Alan Gottlieb on Dec. 22. “… At the very least, the boy in this video would wind up being arrested and face felony charges.” As should the creator, Gottlieb continued: “The message of this video is so monumentally stupid that if any youth does something like this after watching it, the producers should face charges.”

Damn Joe! That is Sa-WEET!!! . . . . . Ummm, ya wanna trade me for a Z1000? When are you headed to CO? Front range might not be closed quite yet…. FYI, that's WAY TOO PURTY to get dirty. Better let me store it in my garage for ya.

Wow!!! Great day with a big turnout. I didn't do an official count, but I'd bet there were close to 20 riders that headed out from Milford. First things first: Kudos to Scott Hyflyer for taking the lead and showing the group the backroads of the east side of Cinti on both the ride out and the return. Couldn't have done it without you!!! :thumbsup There were lots of guys I've never met and didn't get to speak with individually, so I won't try to name everyone, but both LocalRiders and Assfault Junkies were well represented. There was the usual swarm of WeeStroms--at least 5 that I counted--plus the typical suspects riding a couple of BMW twins, a Duc MS, at least one KLR, an FZ6, a vintage Wing, a couple of Connies, and a few others I can't quite remember. The morning was DAMN COLD, but the air warmed up enough to make the return trip a bit more tolerable. I left the house about 9:30 and took CC/RR Hwy to Montgomery and then wiggled thru the back roads in Indian Hill--just about bought the farm on Kugler Mill Rd when I found some of that black ice BC was hatin' on yesterday--and snuck into Milford the back way. Finally got home about 3:30 after covering just about 200 miles. Grabbed a tall glass of Crown whiskey and went to sit in the sauna for about 30 minutes to thaw out when I got home. :beer Here's some photo-documentation that proves there are folks crazy enough to think riding in sub-freezing weather is fun…. Suiting up at Cracker Barrel…iiiiiiinnn Milford!!! At the Mound… Glissom was definitely in the holiday spirit… Scott was warning us we had to make a break for it quickly, as the Wiccan's were beginning to outnumber us… Bannister is planning on buying a Ural to go with his hat, as soon as he grows up…. ...and NO!!! Woody (prickbastardthatheis) didn't feel like sharing ANY of HIS holiday spirit with the rest of the group... The reason we rode today….

Hmmm… Duct tape? Back of closet? Close the door? I heard that works for awhile…. OK, OK, I'm just kidding. Sorry you won't make it, but it'd be a cold bitch coming down from Dayton this morning. I'll do the wiggle dance and shake my ass at the Mound for you and have a nip o' Crown today.

Bumping this up one time. Weather should be a pees-o-cake compared to the '12 WSR. So cold and snowy that year, the ride didn't take place until New Year's Day in '13!!!

Heading east to Serpent Mound and back. Annual tradition to chase the cold weather away so we can ride in shorts and flip-flops the rest of the winter. Probably be some old, fat, bald guys dancin' nekkid on the observation tower. Hopefully find a few virgins to sacrifice, too. We tried it last year and it sure as hell didn't work…..but when you can have that much fun ridin' yer scoot, freezin' yer nuts off, dancin' nekkid and chasin' virgins, why not do it anyway. Meet-up is at the Cracker Barrel…. iiiiiinnn MILFORD!!!! Right off Rt 50 and 275. Kickstands up sharp at 11 AM. Wear warm stuff….bring a virgin, if you know of any. http://www.localriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18003

Apparently, all the little feathered fucks came south to invade my feeder station by the thousands. Want some of them back…?

Not being an experienced shooter with a hg, how does this compare to a mid-size, say a G23 40cal? Looks very similar in overall dimension, with interchangeable backstraps. Slightly larger mag capacity. Does it have a similar feel, weight, kick, trigger pull, reliability, accuracy? Price point is nearly the same…. So, is it a toss-up and merely a matter of manufacturer preference?

Not gonna get into the middle of this argument, but the coroner can rule a death homicide without it being an indictable offense. Homicide is the legal definition of "death of a human caused by another human"…. Completely different from murder or criminal or negligent homicide (which would be legal charges brought by the prosecutor in a death ruled homicide by the coroner). Technically, an inmate put to death by the state is a homicide, albeit a legal one. EDIT: Rats! You beat me to it.

They can lay brick/block all winter, even down below freezing. They'll add a little CaCl to the mortar to keep it warm and from freezing; it weakens it a bit, but you're just setting block, not pouring a foundation. Should be good to go into the low 20s or even teens.

True, if you 1) can write off the loss/depreciation costs, and 2) have a need to drive the latest/greatest/newest vehicle all the time. Realistically, the monthly payments are based on the lease duration and residual value, and so you end up paying for the bulk of the vehicle's early years depreciation and then have nothing to show for it after 3-4 years….and that's if you don't blow your mileage allotment. Sorry, but unless you REALLY need to be driving a vehicle that's less than 2-3 years old, buying--and keeping--makes more sense. Your argument for leasing holds true only if you buy and then sell and upgrade every few years.

You mean leasing as in long-term, i.e., 2-3-4 years? Vs rental as in by the hour or the day? Biggest issue I see is that leases typically appeal to the buyer wanna-be who has OK disposable income but no free cash saved for the down payment. Not sure how that would work for a bike buyer. Seems like the greater risk of loss would require a large dp, but then you might as well just buy outright. This comes with the disclaimer that I've never leased a vehicle and never understood the mindset of renting a rapidly depreciating asset and then returning it after the majority of the value loss has been realized. I suppose there are advantages for business tax write-offs. Don't know if that would apply to a MC….

Hmmm.…not really sure that's certifiable evidence that she's sane and intelligent, but by golly, she sure is outspoken…. I lean to the side of the officer in the Brown shooting. There's enough evidence to vindicate the shooter. MB's actions directly led to his death.

Fascinating how this works…. You weren't involved in any way other than as the aggrieved party, and yet you're the one dancing on hot coals…. Interesting. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm..."

Not really weird. My State Farm auto policies actually have a listing of all the names of insured drivers on the semi-annual renewal statement, and the rating specifically excludes any drivers under the age of 25. Keeps my rates low. Obviously, I'm not one to freely loan my vehicles out.

I guess that's pretty much my point. If the kid HAD been a shooter intent on putting some bullets into a cop, one or both of the responders would have been dead before they got out of the car. Just seems like a reckless and stupid move that screams incompetence on the part of the officers. Of course, we're all analyzing this scenario with the wisdom of 20-20 hindsight….

Actually Ebay sells a lot of Chinese plastic, some of it crap and some of it pretty good (for aftermarket). Prices range from $225-250 for the really cheap stuff to $500-600 for the pieces that will prolly fit pretty well. The stuff to avoid is labelled "vacuum formed" or "vacuum molded" and is the stuff selling for under $300. Look for the wording "injection molded" in the ad--that's the stuff you want. Much of the higher priced stuff is pre-drilled, but won't come with any attachment hardware. Hardware kits can also be found on Ebay and some of the stuff is even made in the US. None of the Chinese body kits are gonna be OEM quality, but this is definitely one of those things where the saying "You get what you pay for" is accurate.

Cooter: I AM aware that a car door isn't bullet-proof, unless you're Bruce Willis…. ….although I'm pretty sure that a wooden dining table will stop military rounds from an automatic assault rifle. On the other hand, I wouldn't have wanted to be the poor cop sitting in the passenger seat--probably belted in--watching out the side window as the reported gun-wielding suspect started to move toward him. I'll take a 25-40 foot separation with time to unbuckle and assume a shielded crouching position over that anytime.

Is it OK if I point out that you guys are debating the Cleveland shooting in the Michael Brown thread? I agree that the kid (Tamir Rice) shouldn't have been shot for his actions shown on the video….Michael Brown, on the other hand, probably caused his own death. I still say that the REAL trigger of what appears to be an overly quick shooting was as a direct result of the driver-cop's actions. If he hadn't pulled up with his partner's door less than 10 feet from a reported 'kid with a gun' the shooter wouldn't have had to make a snap decision. If the car had been stopped further back and angled in a position where the passenger door could have been used as a shield, there would have been additional time for the shooter to assess the situation and take a defensive position. In this case, it appears to me both of the officers were incompetent….at best.

I'm not gonna say that indictment in either the NY chokehold case or the Cleveland shooting case was justified or unjustified since I lack facts, but…. ….did you ever stop and consider that the DOJ is just as corrupt, just as politically motivated, and just as much of a tool as most of the prosecutorial departments that you're railing against? Our nation is suffering from deeper racial divides than 10-20 years ago. IMHO, Obama's presidency--rather heal and uplift the black community--has done potentially irreparable harm to unbiased racial judgment and created the black-white schism we are experiencing today. Feds are in it up to their asses along with the rest of our incompetent public agencies.

Gotta be a fake. Looks like a seriously bad 'Photochop'. If real, however, that'd be motivation enough for me….

NP. Hell, I didn't even notice; I never give any thought to that anyway. Pretty sure the only folks that pay attention to the negs are the moderators. Honestly, I didn't know you could follow who gives out the +'s and -'s. Good to know, tho--I can start my stalking campaign immediately….

Hmmm. Interesting rant. What exactly does it mean? The world is full of pussies and thugs, and the only thing keeping them apart is the cops? I'm conflicted…. I'm with you on the 'fewer cops' idea, tho, especially when I'm hooning the backwoods.

Oh believe me….I get it. If I was the cop, I wouldn't want to face that 'piece' down not knowing it was a toy. More to my earlier post, I'm not blaming the shooter. With the clarity of 20:20 hindsight, I think a less abrupt approach by the officer driving the patrol car could have possibly prevented the tragedy. Still convinced it could have been avoided with a more judicious approach. I've seen the entire video posted previously, and while the kid appeared to be aggressive, he hadn't done anything more than bluster. I don't think a personal video cam worn by the cop would provide any additional information to vindicate the cop.

This seems the most likely path that will be taken after the recent spate on cop shootings, but cameras can be a double-edged sword. There will always be grey areas with every person-to-person interaction, which once captured on digital media can be used both for and against each party. Let's make the premise that everything in life is recorded. A busy mom or dad forgets the kid in the car seat and a child dies in a hot car. Almost certainly a horrible accident, but do we indict? A teenager reaches for something in his car and crosses the center line and kills another driver. Accidental or indictable? A hunter drops his rifle and kills his hunting partner. Accident or negligent homicide? In all these incidents, a camera would show when and where things went terribly wrong, but would it prove innocence or guilt? Show malice of forethought? Record a human lapse of judgement? Who's gonna interpret the data? From which viewpoint will the person behind camera be judged? Can we realistically achieve a sufficient level of training for police to ensure no error will ever be made? Human beings are susceptible to making mistakes, and yet do we hold an officer accountable to a higher standard of 'infallibility' than we do ordinary people?