Bubba

Magz is right, with a few cautions…. If you bought the bike from out-of-state, you'll need to take the bike and the title to either the BMV or a dealer to have it inspected and the VIN verified. Just a bit of formality and another piece of paper. I assume you bought a "new" bike from a dealer (meaning "brand new" not "used but new to you"). If the dealer was in-state and provided a title, you're good to go. A long time ago, I bought a new vehicle and only received the MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin) from the dealer. In this case, you will also need to take the bike and the MCO to the BMV and have it inspected and a new OH title issued. Both of those scenarios are unusual, as typically an OH title in hand is all you need to plate a vehicle.

Meef: Thanks for the response. Appreciate the insight. With respect to your first para, the obvious flaw is that I'm applying the typical moral-view-of-the-world thought process where a contract is written and followed by both parties. This is obviously NOT THE CASE in a bad guy confrontation. No guarantee that the contract will be honored once the transaction--the surrender of the valuable(s)--has been completed. That comes from me having lived a long time and not being placed in a situation as described. And to your second para, you can see my previous posts on the Brown and the Cleveland shootings. I'm firmly on the side of the officer/shooter in both the MO cases, based on the information revealed so far. As for the Cleveland case, I agree that the officer/shooter was left with little response time or escape options as a result of his partner driving the car to within 5-10 feet of the suspect. Something that was terribly unfortunate and perhaps avoidable with a different approach to the situation unfolding. Again, easier to judge and assess with the wisdom of 20:20 hindsight. It's with an eye to the above cases that I asked my initial question. Not sure how I would respond….something I guess I better explore as I go forward with my training. Thanks!

Aww, c'mon….let's stop being so stingy and gift 'em all: Hillary, Britney, Miley, Nicki Minaj, Lady Gaga, Iggy Azalea, Katy Perry, Al Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Feel free to add to the list. After all, it's Christmas!!!

A follow-up question for any of the posters: It seems to me that the decision to shoot would have to be made immediately when the threat was imminent where the attackers are actually invading your personal space. To me, this means not closer than 3-4 feet. Each of you has stated you wouldn't shoot merely to protect a material possession, and yet once faced with a gun and three attackers (as reported in the link above) you have only an instant to make the decision whether to hand over the shoes/your wallet/whatever, or draw and fire. This was made painfully evident in the Cleveland shooting, possibly in both the MO shootings, and in the Middletown case. I realize every situation is gonna play out differently, but what bothers me is….if it's that difficult for a highly trained professional LEO to make a reasoned and justified split second decision, how are average citizens supposed to perform carefully and sanely under the same stress?

Here is a link to the incident: http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/news/crime-law/would-be-teen-robber-shot-to-death/njYqM/#__federated=1 Disclaimer: I don't currently hold a CCW license. I am signed up for handgun training classes at Point Blank here in Cinti and am considering continuing with CCW training. Most importantly, I really don't want this to devolve into a black-v-white racial discussion. Just trying to gain some perspective from anyone who currently carries, preferably someone who has law enforcement or military background, or at least has years of carry experience and significant formal training. What I'm trying to come to grips with is how to reconcile the right to carry with the knowledge that if you DO carry, you have to be willing to use your gun and lethal force in such a situation where a threat is made. Second guessing isn't something I often do, and of course the clarity of 20:20 hindsight is easy to come by…. So, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the obvious challenge of whether it's rightful to shoot someone who is engaged in trying to rob you of your $200 shoes. I understand that the reports are the teen was using a handgun to rob the shooter. How does an average person walk around a midwest suburban shopping mall in broad daylight while carrying and have the mental preparation to be willing to use lethal force to prevent a robbery? Obviously, if you put the gun in your hand (draw) you MUST be willing to pull the trigger, but I can't ever picture myself as having the mental state of mind where my FIRST REACTION would be to pull my gun--honestly, I would simply give the shoes up first, under the assumption the "transaction" would end there. Of course, the other fly in the ointment here is that the mall has a policy that prohibits concealed carry, so it sounds likely that the shooter will at least be charged with some type of violation, whatever that entails. I presume it's private property, but I have no clue as to whether the shooter could face felony charges or a simple misdemeanor, or whether the mall owners would have to bring the charges…. I'm not trying to stir up a shit-storm with this question, and I think the final answer to my question--for me--will be "If I can't draw and fire, then don't carry" but that seems too simplistic. Are there degrees of judgement/varying options with the privilege to carry? Or is it totally a shoot-or-be-shot world? Does the right to carry also subject you to the burden of "kill upon first provocation" as the only solution? Please no flaming in this thread. Reasoned answers would be appreciated. Thanks--Bubba

Link: http://theweek.com/article/index/274141/speedreads-gun-control-psa-urges-kids-to-steal-parents-guns-and-give-them-to-teachers Quoted from Yahoo The controversial Dec. 13 clip from Sleeper 13 Productions in San Francisco, titled “Stop Gun Violence - PSA,” shows a teenage boy take a handgun from his mother’s dresser drawer, stash it in his backpack, and bring it to class. Walking up to his teacher after the period ends, the student slaps the gun on her desk. “Can you take this away?” the child actor asks the shocked teacher. “I don’t feel safe with a gun in my house.” Then the messages “Our children deserve a safe world” and “Stop gun violence now” are plastered onscreen before production credits run, notably lacking any sponsors or collaborating organizations. The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms even put out a press release detailing the number of crimes depicted in the piece. “We’re talking about felony theft of a firearm, illegal possession of a handgun by a minor, having a gun in a school, illegal concealed carry by a minor, brandishing and maybe one or two other crimes, depending upon the jurisdiction,” wrote chairman Alan Gottlieb on Dec. 22. “… At the very least, the boy in this video would wind up being arrested and face felony charges.” As should the creator, Gottlieb continued: “The message of this video is so monumentally stupid that if any youth does something like this after watching it, the producers should face charges.”

Damn Joe! That is Sa-WEET!!! . . . . . Ummm, ya wanna trade me for a Z1000? When are you headed to CO? Front range might not be closed quite yet…. FYI, that's WAY TOO PURTY to get dirty. Better let me store it in my garage for ya.

Wow!!! Great day with a big turnout. I didn't do an official count, but I'd bet there were close to 20 riders that headed out from Milford. First things first: Kudos to Scott Hyflyer for taking the lead and showing the group the backroads of the east side of Cinti on both the ride out and the return. Couldn't have done it without you!!! :thumbsup There were lots of guys I've never met and didn't get to speak with individually, so I won't try to name everyone, but both LocalRiders and Assfault Junkies were well represented. There was the usual swarm of WeeStroms--at least 5 that I counted--plus the typical suspects riding a couple of BMW twins, a Duc MS, at least one KLR, an FZ6, a vintage Wing, a couple of Connies, and a few others I can't quite remember. The morning was DAMN COLD, but the air warmed up enough to make the return trip a bit more tolerable. I left the house about 9:30 and took CC/RR Hwy to Montgomery and then wiggled thru the back roads in Indian Hill--just about bought the farm on Kugler Mill Rd when I found some of that black ice BC was hatin' on yesterday--and snuck into Milford the back way. Finally got home about 3:30 after covering just about 200 miles. Grabbed a tall glass of Crown whiskey and went to sit in the sauna for about 30 minutes to thaw out when I got home. :beer Here's some photo-documentation that proves there are folks crazy enough to think riding in sub-freezing weather is fun…. Suiting up at Cracker Barrel…iiiiiiinnn Milford!!! At the Mound… Glissom was definitely in the holiday spirit… Scott was warning us we had to make a break for it quickly, as the Wiccan's were beginning to outnumber us… Bannister is planning on buying a Ural to go with his hat, as soon as he grows up…. ...and NO!!! Woody (prickbastardthatheis) didn't feel like sharing ANY of HIS holiday spirit with the rest of the group... The reason we rode today….

Hmmm… Duct tape? Back of closet? Close the door? I heard that works for awhile…. OK, OK, I'm just kidding. Sorry you won't make it, but it'd be a cold bitch coming down from Dayton this morning. I'll do the wiggle dance and shake my ass at the Mound for you and have a nip o' Crown today.

Bumping this up one time. Weather should be a pees-o-cake compared to the '12 WSR. So cold and snowy that year, the ride didn't take place until New Year's Day in '13!!!

Heading east to Serpent Mound and back. Annual tradition to chase the cold weather away so we can ride in shorts and flip-flops the rest of the winter. Probably be some old, fat, bald guys dancin' nekkid on the observation tower. Hopefully find a few virgins to sacrifice, too. We tried it last year and it sure as hell didn't work…..but when you can have that much fun ridin' yer scoot, freezin' yer nuts off, dancin' nekkid and chasin' virgins, why not do it anyway. Meet-up is at the Cracker Barrel…. iiiiiinnn MILFORD!!!! Right off Rt 50 and 275. Kickstands up sharp at 11 AM. Wear warm stuff….bring a virgin, if you know of any. http://www.localriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18003

Apparently, all the little feathered fucks came south to invade my feeder station by the thousands. Want some of them back…?

Not being an experienced shooter with a hg, how does this compare to a mid-size, say a G23 40cal? Looks very similar in overall dimension, with interchangeable backstraps. Slightly larger mag capacity. Does it have a similar feel, weight, kick, trigger pull, reliability, accuracy? Price point is nearly the same…. So, is it a toss-up and merely a matter of manufacturer preference?

Not gonna get into the middle of this argument, but the coroner can rule a death homicide without it being an indictable offense. Homicide is the legal definition of "death of a human caused by another human"…. Completely different from murder or criminal or negligent homicide (which would be legal charges brought by the prosecutor in a death ruled homicide by the coroner). Technically, an inmate put to death by the state is a homicide, albeit a legal one. EDIT: Rats! You beat me to it.

They can lay brick/block all winter, even down below freezing. They'll add a little CaCl to the mortar to keep it warm and from freezing; it weakens it a bit, but you're just setting block, not pouring a foundation. Should be good to go into the low 20s or even teens.

True, if you 1) can write off the loss/depreciation costs, and 2) have a need to drive the latest/greatest/newest vehicle all the time. Realistically, the monthly payments are based on the lease duration and residual value, and so you end up paying for the bulk of the vehicle's early years depreciation and then have nothing to show for it after 3-4 years….and that's if you don't blow your mileage allotment. Sorry, but unless you REALLY need to be driving a vehicle that's less than 2-3 years old, buying--and keeping--makes more sense. Your argument for leasing holds true only if you buy and then sell and upgrade every few years.

You mean leasing as in long-term, i.e., 2-3-4 years? Vs rental as in by the hour or the day? Biggest issue I see is that leases typically appeal to the buyer wanna-be who has OK disposable income but no free cash saved for the down payment. Not sure how that would work for a bike buyer. Seems like the greater risk of loss would require a large dp, but then you might as well just buy outright. This comes with the disclaimer that I've never leased a vehicle and never understood the mindset of renting a rapidly depreciating asset and then returning it after the majority of the value loss has been realized. I suppose there are advantages for business tax write-offs. Don't know if that would apply to a MC….

Hmmm.…not really sure that's certifiable evidence that she's sane and intelligent, but by golly, she sure is outspoken…. I lean to the side of the officer in the Brown shooting. There's enough evidence to vindicate the shooter. MB's actions directly led to his death.

Fascinating how this works…. You weren't involved in any way other than as the aggrieved party, and yet you're the one dancing on hot coals…. Interesting. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm..."

Not really weird. My State Farm auto policies actually have a listing of all the names of insured drivers on the semi-annual renewal statement, and the rating specifically excludes any drivers under the age of 25. Keeps my rates low. Obviously, I'm not one to freely loan my vehicles out.

I guess that's pretty much my point. If the kid HAD been a shooter intent on putting some bullets into a cop, one or both of the responders would have been dead before they got out of the car. Just seems like a reckless and stupid move that screams incompetence on the part of the officers. Of course, we're all analyzing this scenario with the wisdom of 20-20 hindsight….

Actually Ebay sells a lot of Chinese plastic, some of it crap and some of it pretty good (for aftermarket). Prices range from $225-250 for the really cheap stuff to $500-600 for the pieces that will prolly fit pretty well. The stuff to avoid is labelled "vacuum formed" or "vacuum molded" and is the stuff selling for under $300. Look for the wording "injection molded" in the ad--that's the stuff you want. Much of the higher priced stuff is pre-drilled, but won't come with any attachment hardware. Hardware kits can also be found on Ebay and some of the stuff is even made in the US. None of the Chinese body kits are gonna be OEM quality, but this is definitely one of those things where the saying "You get what you pay for" is accurate.

Cooter: I AM aware that a car door isn't bullet-proof, unless you're Bruce Willis…. ….although I'm pretty sure that a wooden dining table will stop military rounds from an automatic assault rifle. On the other hand, I wouldn't have wanted to be the poor cop sitting in the passenger seat--probably belted in--watching out the side window as the reported gun-wielding suspect started to move toward him. I'll take a 25-40 foot separation with time to unbuckle and assume a shielded crouching position over that anytime.

Is it OK if I point out that you guys are debating the Cleveland shooting in the Michael Brown thread? I agree that the kid (Tamir Rice) shouldn't have been shot for his actions shown on the video….Michael Brown, on the other hand, probably caused his own death. I still say that the REAL trigger of what appears to be an overly quick shooting was as a direct result of the driver-cop's actions. If he hadn't pulled up with his partner's door less than 10 feet from a reported 'kid with a gun' the shooter wouldn't have had to make a snap decision. If the car had been stopped further back and angled in a position where the passenger door could have been used as a shield, there would have been additional time for the shooter to assess the situation and take a defensive position. In this case, it appears to me both of the officers were incompetent….at best.

I'm not gonna say that indictment in either the NY chokehold case or the Cleveland shooting case was justified or unjustified since I lack facts, but…. ….did you ever stop and consider that the DOJ is just as corrupt, just as politically motivated, and just as much of a tool as most of the prosecutorial departments that you're railing against? Our nation is suffering from deeper racial divides than 10-20 years ago. IMHO, Obama's presidency--rather heal and uplift the black community--has done potentially irreparable harm to unbiased racial judgment and created the black-white schism we are experiencing today. Feds are in it up to their asses along with the rest of our incompetent public agencies.