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Sally Pipes.. Canadian-born leader of the Pacific Research Institute, a "conservative think tank" (slight contradiction in terms LOL) that is known as the "looney fringe," and good for faulty comparisons, dated information, and a lot of good laughs.
So yeah, big news that she is against it... this point fails, so please click here: http://www.pacdudegames.com/fail and press the blue button.
I guess the part that confuses me the most is that everyone wants to contest the guy that the OP referenced but fails to contest the actual legislation? I can understand questioning someone's credibility to say an article is biased. But read the damn legislation and see for yourself. It's not just "right wingers" not wanting to provide for apathetic people who do nothing to benefit society or themselves. The legislation is true government control of the medical industry. Check out page 30 of the legislation. Here, I'll actually quote it so I'm not misconstruing the wording for my benefit.
"(3) MEMBERSHIP.—The Health Benefits Advi-
sory Committee shall be composed of the following
members, in addition to the Surgeon General:
(A) 9 members who are not Federal em-
ployees or officers and who are appointed by
the President. "
Weird? So with 80 czars we already have who "aren't appointed or approved by Congress or Senate" we now have 9 people, directly appt. by the President, without regard to a Senate committee like you would see with the supreme court, who are in charge of deciding what is deemed medically necessary. The executive branch is quickly gaining control over every facet of our lives, (bank, auto, insurance, housing, and now medical). Make fun, say the sky is falling, blah blah , but fundamentally its wrong and you can't deny it.
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they have a .380 in the Slim line, which is just a 9 mm bullet but shorter in length. I'm not sure I'd want a gun that small bigger than 9 mm, just my opinion tho... I think the recoil from a .45 or .40 would make trigger control difficult and the size of the bullet doesn't matter if you're not hitting your target. I haven't fired the XD series, but they're still compact but bigger than the slim line (unless you go with subcompact like fusion said) and I have some friends who have them and just like the people listed here, no complaints!
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cheech i need to go to bed, i gotta work tomorrow so we'll have to continue this some other time. That being said, you ask for sources from me, I give you them then you question their credibility, yet your response to all my points is "empty blowhard rhetoric" with no facts.
If you want to give a homeless man 5 bucks thats great. But if I put a gun to your head and make you give the homeless man 5 bucks is it still a good charitable act? Universal Healthcare is no different. If you don't see it as a violation of your rights, I can't spell it out for you any more than that. I've listed the 9th and 10th amendments, its the federal government imposing on states rights and the "rights of its people".
I've done plenty of research, maybe you should read the bill, I posted the PDF link earlier from the house of rep. Page 124 mentions price fixing by the government, that limits a doctors pay.
I tried to offer you solutions, if you don't like some of them, what solutions do you suggest besides a government handout? And please don't argue for some ideal perfect world scenario of universal healthcare, because thats not whats being proposed. Support the legislation thats in the docket, because that IS what's being proposed by our government.
As far as more current figures, we'll get them in 2010 with the new census... sort of, because no where on the form does it mention whether or not you're a legal resident of the U.S.
Alright seriously, I need some sleep. Sorry you just downed a pot of columbia's finest roast and I'm now heading to bed, have a good one.
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I think the idea of our system in this country is that if the government does a crappy job we're supposed to make a big stink and advocate and argue and march, and at least vote, until we get our way.
It's not government's fault if we (collectively) would rather pay attention to and vote on American Idol- it's ours. We get the government we allow to exist. If we're too lazy to force it to work for us, it'll work for whoever puts up the effort.
i completely agree with you
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Protip: You're also paying for my police/ fire dept coverage, drinking water, roads, the soldiers who fight on my behalf, and the first 12 years of my education. You have the choice whether to use these same provided services or not, but the whole reason people get together and form a country is because they are able to do things as a group that wouldn't be feasible as a bunch of Daniel Boones living in the wilderness.
Incidentally, since I don't have insurance (because I'm a full-time student and my wife's job doesn't offer it), if I had a heart attack tonight and had to go to the ED, you'd still end up paying for it (because I can't, so the cost just gets passed back up to people with insurance and sometimes the government, while I pay 10 bucks a month to the bill collectors, anyway).
Ah but you're referring to local government, not federally mandated government. With the exception of a military which is a necessity for a government to exist. If you think universal healthcare is a good function of the government, thats fine... but thats bordering on restructuring what our government was founded on: a capitalistic democratic republic (or something along those lines).
As far as you having a heart attack, that is the case of a catastrophic event, this doesn't include check ups, prescription costs, preventive medicine, etc... The idea that a scenario like that is responsible for all the runaway spending is well false. If you don't have insurance, be proactive and sign up for a HSA and get payroll deductions pre taxed so that in the event of a catastrophic scenario you'll be able to pay for it or at least knock the bill down so you can pay less than 10 bucks a paycheck from the bill collector. As a full time student, you should also be eligible for health insurance through your University or College.
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So, by pointing out that the USPS is actually having trouble competing with the private sector, you're admitting that your earlier argument was not really valid?
I'm saying that the government can't do better than what the private sector can. That doesn't mean we should try anyways and see if it "might work". I'm also saying that with unlimited funding they will bankrupt our economy. If a company is terrible they have the right to fail as well, shipping example: DHL. But the government system can be terrible but since it doesn't have to operate for a profit they can continually run tax dollars into it without it being a successful model. In this bill, a lot of the additional funding is not provided by the fed, its required to be provided by states (many of which are already in negative budgets). This also is unconstitutional because it imposes on states rights and individual state sovereignty. I'm not standing up for the bernie madoffs of the world, the enrons or the worldcomms, they deserve to be punished for poor business ethics. But we need to make our society more enticing for big companies to do business here without encouraging fraudulent behavior. I.E. lower the corporate tax rate, which is one of the highest in the world. Not too mention big corps also have to pay high state taxes too. Anyhow thats a WHOLE different thread.
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1.) you're imposing on my rights because you're forcing me to pay for someone else's healthcare. You're also forcing me to choose to have it, whether it be employer or govt. provided. You're also imposing on the doctor's right to provide, limiting their pay for the service, requiring them to provide the service, etc... etc..
2.) Patent length was increased to 20 years in 1999, so I was mistaken on that, but drug companies have to get the patent during development for the chemical structure that might not "be the one" often using up several years of the patent before they figure out the final compound. http://www.wikinvest.com/wiki/Patents
3.) cost to develop a drug: I was wrong, I thought it was 600 million, its actually 1.2 billion! http://csdd.tufts.edu/NewsEvents/NewsArticle.asp?newsid=69
4.) Since when did america penalize companies for making a profit? We are a capitalistic society? Unless you would prefer something else comrade?
5.) Medical Malpractice continued: "Defending a medical liability lawsuit in which the defendant prevails at trial costs more than $110,000, according to a 2005 Physician Insurers Assn. of America claims trend analysis. Even in cases where the claim was dropped or dismissed, the defense costs average more than $15,000, that analysis showed. Those costs add up, considering that 75% of medical liability claims don't result in patients receiving any money." - source http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/06/18/edsa0618.htm
6.) cost of defensive medicine:
"If the Kessler and McClellan estimates were applied to total U.S. healthcare spending in 2005, the defensive medicine costs would total between $100 billion and $178 billion per year. Add to this the cost of defending malpractice cases, paying compensation, and covering additional administrative costs (a total of $29.4 billion). Thus, the average American family pays an additional $1,700 to $2,000 per year in healthcare costs simply to cover the costs of defensive medicine." - http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/nov08/managing7.asp
7.) number of uninsured/insured: This is from a U.S. census in 2004, "The percentage of the nation’s population without health insurance coverage remained stable, at 15.7 percent in 2004." This doesn't include the advent of Healthcare spending accounts that people don't take advantage of, nor the people who are eligible for insurance but don't opt to take it. Also you mention, people getting laid off or without jobs. What about spousal or domestic partner insurance? Many people that don't get their insurance from their employer, often get it through a spouse, parent, domestic partner etc.
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UPS and FedEx have been happily competing with the USPS for years. Government-provided police forces haven't driven private security firms out of business. There is no reason why the private health insurance companies couldn't compete with a well-designed public option-- it just might mean they have to change how they operate. Gouging, reducing benefits, denying to cover everything possible, and all the other little games they play (with people's lives in the balance) are business practices that harm Americans-- I for one wouldn't be sorry to see them have to clean up their act to stay in the game. At any rate, if a company can't find an ethical way to turn a profit, I'm not lamenting them if they fail.
And anyway, I don't see how the rights of a relatively small number of corporations should even get to be considered alongside the rights of living, breathing, American citizens. A corporation is an entity whose existence is a product of our legal framework; it's a pile of paperwork, not a person.
These bloated, corrupt, hideously amoral companies get very little sympathy from me.
Well if you haven't noticed, the price of postage has gone up consistently and quite a bit over the past few years (percent increase). The postal system is actually headed for bankruptcy as well. Thats why they're trying to cut back their delivery days to M-F. In fact, the postal service is having trouble competing with the "private sector". And the postal service was around well before the private sector was...
As far as considering the rights of a "small number of corporations... an entity whose existence is a product of our legal framework... its not a person..." well they make up 1/6th of our GPD and too bad the government didn't feel the same way about those "corporations" when they bailed out the banks or the auto companies.
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I think universal healthcare is a bad idea because its constitutionally wrong. You can't provide someone the service without imposing on the rights of someone else to provide it. That being said, here's how you fix it, or at least start.
Prescription drug care: Lower the FDA approval period time, 17 years on avg to get a drug from conception to market. The patents are up after 10 years, they renew it once for another 10 years and have only 3 years to make back their profits to cover overhead and reinvestment. The average cost for development is 600 million bucks! This means we pay higher prices on prescriptions because the FDA has a stranglehold on the industry.
Tort Reform: 80% of all trial lawyers donate to democrats. They do this because they know the dems will not cap how much money they can recieve from frivolous lawsuits. Have arbitration committees made up of doctors/insurance reps/lawyers to determine payouts and limit them. This would drop the cost of malpractice insurance for doctors which would drop the cost of care for us... continued in my next point.
Defensive medicine: Doctors spend up to 200 billion a year on unnecessary medicine to prevent lawsuits. This drives up our medical costs for tests we don't need, our insurance costs because they're paying for services they shouldn't and bogs down the over all efficacy of the system. Start with tort reform and this will work itself out, and dramatically lower medical costs and amount of time spent in hospital.
The fact is 90% of american *citizens* have insurance and 80% of those who do are happy with it! It's the illegals and indigent are the ones that have the most to gain from this program. But you could fix the system with those 3 points, without more government bureaucracy breaking the bank and replacing something that already works for the most part.
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Article 6, paragraph 2 - This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
Any questions?
maybe you missed the tenth amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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the whole "its just a proposal" thing is crap. It's a proposal because they want to make it law. I think anyone who thinks they don't want to get this passed is naive at best. They were trying to cram it down before the recess. Once this passes, it'll be nearly irreversible. Granted it has to go to the Senate, and hopefully they'll block it. But I know for damn well the president will sign off on it if it gets to him, and the majority of dems want it in Congress. So to pretend the current legislation is just spitballing, is really naive. 2/3 branches necessary to make it law are pretty much in the books. People might have an idea that "universal healthcare" could be good, is good, or might work out? But this bill is not what most people think of as traditional "universal healthcare". Its a complete takeover of the system, with government overstepping boundaries and exploiting medical professionals. You don't need to blow up the house to fix a leak.
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no prob, goodluck and have fun!
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my father in law got them from taurus for some articles he was writing on them. I'm pretty sure they're for sale already tho. I know some ranges around here let you rent guns before you buy them, I'm sure some where up in Cleveland they do the same.
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i might, i'm trying to get out of going to a some bday party with the wife for a girl I barely know. If I can I'll give ya a ring
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Oh wait, I cited the "government", please look them up and tell me about its credibility and how it can't be trusted either
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you know what a better response could've been?
Actually looking up the legislation yourself. I did, and I checked some of the lines from the OP and what do you know... they're correct. Here take a look for yourself, all 1018 pages.
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I don't mean to get in the middle of your skirmish but fwiw I thought it was priced pretty high too.. But hey don't let it get to ya, look at the comments as "free bumps".
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^^ I don't get it?
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haha love it, at first I was like... ANOTHER insurance thread... is it necessary? THEN i read it and said... this deserves its own thread
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I know I love their great use of word play, just like the "card check" or "employee free choice act"
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http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0146551720090801
I hope our crazy libs don't read this and get any ideas. With all the fairness doctrine talk around lately, I can see some of our politicians in washington thinking this would be a good idea too.
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I'm not sure about the airfare but I bet the hotel prices are cheap haha
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Do these people have this coming? I read stories like this, (like lisa lings sister in N.K.) and I think... WTF are they doing there in the first place?
Why would they go to Iraq as a "tourist" and why would they hike in mountains on the Iran border. If I'm going to Iraq its with the military and an M4 in my hand. Now they've just become bargaining chips for foreign policy for Ahmadenijad. I don't wish death or being "locked up abroad" upon anyone, but its hard to feel sympathy for people that put themselves in these kinds of RIDICULOUS situations.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535944,00.html?test=latestnews
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taurus just came out with some new concealed carry guns for 09 if you check their website. I fired one of these a couple weeks ago, and for a small 9 mm it was pretty accurate from about 30 feet out, was able to group shots pretty well. It also has a really short reset on the trigger. Anyways, here's a picture. Its called the slim 709.
National Health Care Bill...A national health scare?
in Dumpster
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save money? when has the government ever done anything more efficient than the private sector? Alas I will say this, if you're for the bill thats fine, but your reasoning is that of a socialist and our country wasn't founded on that. If you want socialism, maybe YOU should GTFO. And no 30-40 million American's aren't without coverage, that number is inflated with illegal immigrants. And no I don't want to pay for your healthcare or anyone else for that matter. You know what I did when I needed insurance? I got a damn job that provided it. Your argument is completely baseless with empty rhetoric and references no intelligent statistics or real facts. So maybe you should "tighten up yo' game" and step to that. Or maybe you could just read the bill like I mentioned earlier instead of making terrible assumptions. But I should "prolly know betta, people don't wanna take they damn time" and actually read the legislation.