Thx Julie, I had a ball as well, and its funny my neighbor is a friend of you guys, just talked to Justin and moose(if I remember right) as I was cutting the grass. Kayaking has been my first love for many years, I own 3 kayaks, 2 SOT's(sit on tops) and one SINK(sit inside) the SOT's are SOOO much easier to use. I have about 15 or so fellow kayak'ers here in Columbus, we go about every week, and we goto rodeo's(get togethers at a river, mostly out of state with roughly 30-60 guys from 10 or so different states, fish during the day, drink and lie at night(tents). I'm a Smallmouth bass fishermen first, kayakers second, but I have done the whitewater stuff in my own yaks up to class 3(not in OHIO!) and let me tell you its scarier than doing rt 188 at 170mph, rafting the same stuff is easy, pucker factor in a small boat is high. If you ever want to go, let me know, I can round up enough boats from my buddies for a few of us to go. I don't do the trapper john run, too many people, we go south of there , almost to circleville, or north, way north. Mike