Thanks Hellmutt, if looking around I guess we should throw a CR500 on the list...Thanks for the help!! @rawlins87 not really sure, thinking this would make a fun winter beer drinking project, we will be recruiting you soon enough for welding!! going to start some research on classes and look into some hillclimb threads, I was just assuming we would run open class and a 250 frame with a big ass motor would be cool.