If you're unfamiliar with Mike Geist at Liontribe Designs, a simple Google search will bring up numerous threads about his work, and the quality of his blades. He also has a small website, but normally sells his stuff through numerous knife and firearm websites. His knives don't usually last long when he lists them. These are not toys, or fragile crap you normally find in stores. These are serious tools, and have been described as damn near bulletproof. Both prices are well below current retail of his knives, as these were purchased several years ago. http://liontribedesigns.com/ Tigershark: $175 FtF, or $185 + PP fees shipped. 1/4" thick, full tang, W2 Tool Steel, OAL 9", Blade 4.25", black canvas micarta handle with steel pins. Never used or sharpened. Includes black leather pouch sheath. Modern Savage: $225 FtF, or $235 + PP fees shipped 1/4" thick, full tang, CruForge V High Carbon Steel, OAL 7.5". Never used or sharpened. Includes brown leather pouch sheath. Only listed on Ohio Riders. PM or email me for fastest response. vboost99atyahoodotcom