I don't lift much at all anymore; most of my stuff is cardio and endurance driven but even when I was lifting I never used any supplement. I always was believed that you could achieve the desired results with a natural approach. I drank whey protein and a multi vitamin but as far as the other stuff, no thanks. Call me a pussy, but that just doesn’t seem safe. Some of that stuff will screw with your heart rate and can cause odd side affects. My thinking is that I’m working out to improve my heath and be active so why potentially fuck it all up with some supplement. That and I wasn’t trying to be a body builder so I had no desire to lift 500 pounds or squat 1,000. But hey, to each is own so if you’re happy with it or your review help others cool! At least you trying something and not just bitching about being over weight.