Wouldn't that be the 2.8 and 2.9, if that thing had the 3.8 in it you would not be having such issues... Sorry I am a ford fanboy... I feel you the 2.8 was Super Duper Junk and the 2.9 was just a little better. 3.0 is good and the 4.0 is great, in my eyes... I have been looking for a older 88 ish BroncoII for a whole now, which was notorious to have that 2.8 piece of shit in it. I want one with a 2.3 in it... Probably why I cant find one.