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  2. Lettuce discuss motersycle Batteries

    in Tech and Tips

    Posted · Edited by Al Z. Heimer

    You just posted a link to FLA's. :rolleyes: That is not what you have in your bike. It's the primary point here. You have sealed AGM in you bike. <<<< Your quote. I have both. The link has info that can and does pertain to both types. I guess you did not bother reading it or did not comprehend it's content. I agree with your loss statement. It is the other BS that is ah........ wrong. Next is---Exactly why are you putting it on a float charger? What's the point in that? Seriously I want you to explain to me exactly your reasoning of putting it on a tender. I keep my batteries on a tender because---1) I don't want to disconnect the battery. You know parastic drain,clock ect. which will accelerate discharge. 2) I don't want get the VOM out to check it's state of charge all the time. 3) Suddenly go dead for some reason,freeze-thaw and puke nasty all over. 4) I like the pretty little lights. 5) The most important reason........It works. And about the league thing---you are correct because I don't need a league. I run on facts. Posting here that you cannot overcharge a lead acid battery is was just plain stupid on your part. Remember the Hindenburg? Hydrogen is the gas comming out of a charging battery. Let it boil to the point of exposing the plates and then they warp and short out------BOOM. I won't come to that party. One more thing? Did you read the captions on your link? Maybe you should. Someday we should chat on the merrits of using Marvel Mystery Oil and Sta-Bil.

  3. Lettuce discuss motersycle Batteries

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    No. Sitting kills lead acid batteries not sealed ones. Overcharging with a battery tender kills sealed batteries. That's why everyone is only getting a few years from them. Sealed batteries can sit a LONG time and not self-discharge. That's why they make good UPS batteries. Their rate of discharge is about 10x less than traditional batteries.

    On the other hand you will sulfate them if you try to charge them too much like with a battery tender. It assumes you're charging a lead acid battery that 1. needs a higher float charge voltage, and 2. loses 15% capacity monthly.

    A traditional flooded battery is not harmed by over-charging. It merely gasses electrolyte. A gel cell or AGM cannot do that.

    It kills me to see every spring 20 threads started about a dead battery that is "only a year old and kept on a tender all winter....I don't know what happened to it' :nono:

    Here's a hint, throw a voltmeter on you AGM and note is stays at 12.7v-12.8v for 18 months... especially in the cold.

    So stop charging the damn things, you're destroying them. That's why yours didn't last. Premature failure due to sulfation. 6 years isn't something to brag about...:wtf:

    Okay the reason I posted links was for correct information. It does not matter to me as I have done quite well sir with motorcycle batteries in the last 43 years. What matters is that someone reads wrong info and thinks that it is correct. Let's go over your post---sitting kills. You are wrong that it does not kill a sealed battery. If the voltage is allowed to drop below 11.5 volts it could possible ruin the battery. 11.5 volts is considered overdischarged which requires a higher(up to 20)voltage charger to attempt bringing it back. I capitlized Battery Tender meaning brand name,sorry should have included Deltran. I should also point out that there are 2 versions--the B-tender and B-tender plus. The later is designed for lead acid and agm batteries. The first only lead acid.It does not overcharge. Discharge rate fully charged in a month-1/3 on lead acid and 10% agm. A battery does not sulfate by charging but by discharging.The longer the discharge the more sulfation. Charging puts the sulfates back in to the electrolyte. Fact-both can be overcharged resulting in warped plates,shorting out and exploding. Gassing is a trait of lead acid batteries. Agm batteries don't gas because they can't? They don't gas by design. The negative plate never becomes fully charged thus no hydrogen gas so no venting needed. The positive plate still puts out oxygen but goes thru a reaction turning it back into water. Stop charging your battery? Yes when it is fully charged with a battery charger. If a proper maintainer is used there should not be a problem. Let's see 12.7 volts for 18 months? My source says a loss of 10% per month. You are only 1.2 volts away from an overdischarge condition. I'm not gonna do the math. I don't care really. Mine don't sit that long and if they did they would be on a maintainer approved for AGM batteries. Most batteries do not last because they are not of OEM quality,wrong type or most importanly,not properly put into service.

  4. Lettuce discuss motersycle Batteries

    in Tech and Tips

    Posted

    No. Sitting kills lead acid batteries not sealed ones. Overcharging with a battery tender kills sealed batteries. That's why everyone is only getting a few years from them. Sealed batteries can sit a LONG time and not self-discharge. That's why they make good UPS batteries. Their rate of discharge is about 10x less than traditional batteries.

    On the other hand you will sulfate them if you try to charge them too much like with a battery tender. It assumes you're charging a lead acid battery that 1. needs a higher float charge voltage, and 2. loses 15% capacity monthly.

    A traditional flooded battery is not harmed by over-charging. It merely gasses electrolyte. A gel cell or AGM cannot do that.

    It kills me to see every spring 20 threads started about a dead battery that is "only a year old and kept on a tender all winter....I don't know what happened to it' :nono:

    Here's a hint, throw a voltmeter on you AGM and note is stays at 12.7v-12.8v for 18 months... especially in the cold.

    So stop charging the damn things, you're destroying them. That's why yours didn't last. Premature failure due to sulfation. 6 years isn't something to brag about...:wtf:

    http://www.progressivedyn.com/battery_basics.html I am not saying all your comments are wrong but :rolleyes:. Not quite sure were you got all your info but I think you may want to read up a little on batteries. http://www.yuasabatteries.com/videos.php Here are some videos that may help also. BTW my sealed yuasa is going on 11years old and is just showing signs of giving up.It lives on a Battery Tender all winter and 90% of the rest of the time.

  13. Live to ride Re edit

    in Daily Ride

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    Al Z. Heimer,

    Take these Winter months to prep that Super Hawk for some serious miles for 2012, you asked, and you shall receive...haha!:D

    Maybe I bit off more than I can chew....We were parked next to each other on the 1st stop at that redneck gas station on Doc's ride. I believe you were the last of the fast guys to leave and(the others were gone) as you zipped up your jacket you looked at me and said " I hate playing catch up ". Someone has to be the caboose:)(that would be me). I can live with that;). Gonna have to spring for a battery........this one only lasted 10 years...American Junk(Yuasa).

  24. Jokes.................

    in Dumpster

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    An elderly man of color walks in to the govt. patent office with a basket of apples. Mr. Patent Man..I would like to git me one of dem dare patents on my apples here....Oh sir I don't think that this would be possible,you can find them almost anywhere....Maybe so says the apple man,but deeze here is special apples....I don't think we can help you,I'm soory,replies the patent man.Just then the old man reaches into his basket and pulls out a nice shinny example and hands it over.Take you a bite Mista and tell me wutcha think....Patent man>that tastes like a pear.old man>turnit round.Patent man>that tastes like cherry.Whatcha think says the apple man?No I think not.Old man reaches back into his basket again and pulls out another example and hands it over.Try it mista.Patent man>that tastes like a peach.Old man>turnit round.Patent man>That tastes like plumb.How bout now mista says the old man isa I gonna git me one of dem dare patents? I really don't know I mean ah geeze,I will say this though,If you could make one taste like pussy we could probably accommodate you.The old man grabs at his gray bearded chin for a second then points to the sky,he then reaches back into the tattered basket,fumbles thru and pulls out yet another example of his special apples,hands it over and says>I don't really know iffin dis is whatcha is wantin but give it a try.The patent man takes a nice big bite and after about two chews promply spits it out all over his desk and shouts to the old man>Jesus Christ you old bastard,that tastes like shit.To which the old man replies>turn it around,turn it around.

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