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If you want a simple answer though it is - never.

I agree 100%. This was in response to the comment the people that create hundreds of thousands of jobs are being targeted for paying little or no tax. It was stated until we have millions or billions to be able to pay comparable taxes, that we shouldn't have an opinion on those people not paying.

The point is, they are being targeted because they are such "big fish". The time/money investment has a much larger return compared to targeting a lot of median tax evaders. It was also the point that they should never be exempt. I also don't feel that companies should be exempt but, that is a whole different topic and reasoning.

you mean folks who create hundreds of thousands of jobs that create tax revenue. sure the focus on increasing taxes, regulation, and climate change is working wonders so far with 0 states in lock down currently for us economy growth.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/28/economy/us-third-quarter-gdp/index.html

 

folks paying a lower tax rate or no taxes for politicians to dick off with the money isnt a problem. the folks who are the targets tax wise of the biden regime paid anywhere of 23 million to 1 billion dollars in taxes... folks can lecture then when they can drop that much money towards taxes.

Looking at that ProPublica article, Elon Musk paid $0 in taxes in 2018. If you take his 2021 yearly income and tax it at 14% (the median tax bracket), that is $17,708,142,023.60. The median taxpayer makes $70,000 and pays $9,800 in taxes (at 14%). It would take 1,806,953 taxpayers to equal his one tax bill. If you can spend the time going after 1 non-payer or going after 1.8M non-payers and yield the same result, who would you target? If you tax him at 37% (the bracket for over $628,300), it would take 4,775,519 median non-payers to equal just him. All of his companies combined only have 110,000 employees. At what point is it okay to not pay any tax because you created jobs that create tax revenue? 10? 100? 1000? The upper 1% pay more dollar wise but it is supposed to be an equal proportion. It is supposed to be more equal that way. Much like the guys on Super Speeders laugh at tickets meanwhile a single parent family may not eat that week because monetarily they are equal but proportionately they are drastically different. (Hence why some other countries make fines percentages instead of $ amounts.)

Do you have any data, or shit, even anecdotes, maybe about things that you bought post-2018 after the Trump tax cuts that were cheaper than the were pre-2018?

 

Or are you just saying that you personally had more money because the government increased the deficit in order to lower your tax burden?

Inflation

2017 - 2.1%

2018 - 2.4%

2019 - 1.8%

2020 - 1.2%

2021 - 4.05% (first 9 months, last 5 have all been over 5%, highest since 1991)

Gas Sept

2017 - $2.64

2018 - $2.83

2019 - $2.62

2020 - $2.18

2021 - $3.17

When taxes go up the price increase trickles down to the consumer. When taxes go down the savings do not.

 

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I sure could afford a lot more things and toys last year.

Do you believe the Trump tax cuts that went largely to the wealthy and corporations, and resulted in massive shock buy backs with no "trickle down" to middle class workers was money well-spent?

 

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While I don't agree with those tax cuts, I do think they trickle down. As has been evidenced by many talking heads, increasing taxes on companies with increase prices. Companies are not going to settle for eating those costs. The bad thing is, when the cuts do come, the savings is not proportional downstream. Big companies are already seeing increased costs which they pass on to the consumers and we pay more. Same thing will happen if they raise taxes or close loop holes. Unfortunately, other then not supporting as much as feasible, I don't know any way to combat that.

My point was that he was silent then, but outraged now, and I didn't even have to point out how much the secret service had to pay to rent rooms and buy food at Trump resorts.

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/politics/joe-biden-weekends-away/index.html

Biden has vacationed almost twice as much as Trump at the same period in their respective presidencies. I seem to remember lots of outrage during Trump also (Hence why it only took 15 seconds to find an article about it.) The only part I found surprising about all this is that the article making Biden look worse was on CNN.

Thanks for the recommendations so far.

 

Has anyone ever bought/sold a house FSBO?

I attempted to earlier this year. Landlord had decided to sell. He contacted a realtor to "handle the paperwork". I was going to have an attorney look over it. The realtor convinced him it could be sold for at least $100k more. We couldn't come to an agreement on price after that. His house is still sitting vacant and I bought a different home.

Long way of saying stick to lawyers and avoid realtors if you can.

Sorry not much of a help with a recommendation and I am sure this will be mentioned by a good lawyer but, the company may be on the line too. Lots of insurance companies cap out pretty quick on medical (I think mine is $250k/person, $500k/accident. Divide that by maybe 4 or 5 people in a Charger. May be looking at as little as $100k). Lots of people don't have much or take a long time to pay settlements (girlfriend is currently 5 years out and no end in site). The company will generally have much larger coverage with more rapid payment available for medical costs. Being that it was a quarterly event with co-workers, if it was at all organized by the company, they may be liable.

I hope for the best for your co-worker and his wife.

Also, there are over 700,000 Americans who tried for natural immunity but didn't get it, not counting those living with long term effects.

Is there a study showing 700,000 Americans who had COVID have no immunity or antibodies?

I personally had COVID once, am exposed to it on the regular and have not had it since.

Is there a study showing that people who have the vaccine have immunity? Or have no long term health effects?

Why is it that antibodies developed naturally are no good but if you have COVID you are immune for 90 days afterwards? How is it that the T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes from the vaccine work but the ones from COVID infection don't?

Generally curious and would like to read these studies.

The two Performance Jeep dealers are the sister stores to my place of work, but I have zero service experience with both.

Not personal experience but a coworker just spent 3 months fighting with Performance. He has an EcoDiesel Ram. They told him the motor was blown and it was gonna be something like $13k. He did some online research and found a common crank sensor issue. They claimed there was metal in the oil. He did not see any. After fighting he took it to an independent. $500 and a crank sensor later, it runs perfect. They independent said he drained the motor through a white t shirt and had no metal of any kind. He definitely was not happy with his experience.

What's not to trust is, even as you said, there is no proposal on how much per mile to charge, there's not even a proposal for whether everyone would pay the same rate (based on type of vehicle, where you live, what roads you drive on, etc), or whether this would completely replace the gas tax or be in addition to it where implemented. Yet this "news" station is presenting this (and people here are too) as if it's a government estimate going into this trial. People on here are even acting like it's a done deal and there's a new tax on every citizen, while this is a study using volunteers where no one is being charged anything. These studies typically take years before presenting any findings, so a decision will most likely not even fall under this current administration.

 

I like my news to be FACTS, not made up bullshit that's only meant to rile up a base. If there is a source for this 8 cents per mile estimate, then I would like to see it. So far I haven't found anything.

 

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It clearly states to put this in perspective. It doesn't say estimate or plan or anything. It is simply IF the tax was X and you drove Y, this would cost Z. It is simply a way to look at a final result. If you say tax is $0.16/mi it is put into perspective for how much it costs yearly by putting miles to it and calculating it out. It is merely food for thought... year end total... shows how quickly even a small tax multiplies.

Oh, yes, Newsmax. I trust that.

 

Everything I've read says that what was approved is a pilot program to study the viability of a mileage tax that will be made up of volunteers who will carry GPS monitors in their vehicles. These types of pilot programs happen all the time for other things, like V2X communication, driver monitoring tech, AEB, etc. This is not an approval to implement a mileage tax.

 

There has been no proposal from the gov on how much to charge per mile, if everyone gets charged the same fee, or if this completely replaces the gas tax because those are the questions the pilot program is supposed to answer. IMO, this Newsmax story is just fear mongering, and it appears to be working. Stop living in fear.

 

P.S. They used 26,000 miles a year? Isn't the average more like ~12,000?

First what is there to not trust? 26,000*$0.08=$2,080 Simple math. No there is not a proposal but to begin the discussion and look at numbers, you have to start somewhere. With out seeing the actual story, I would have to guess the story was something along the lines of "if this than that".

Yes it is a pilot study. As far as I understand, it is a study of any viable method. They will start looking into what works and what doesn't. As far as GPS, they will start looking at cost of the system, acceptance, installation, ways it can be defeated *cough* faraday cage *cough*, etc. However, they are also looking at other methods of implementation.

As far as the 26,000 miles per year, you (12,000) + spouse/domestic partner (12,000) = 24,000. So not far off when you look at what would need to be paid at tax time or vehicle registration, etc. In addition, pre-pandemic the mileage average for 2019 was 14,263 according to the DOT FHA. The number creeps up a little bit most years as we as a nation sprawl out, it becomes more economical to live farther from work, etc.

Ohio is not one of those 4, so no its not mandatory for STATE OF OHIO employees.

I never said State of Ohio employees. This falls under the mind set of

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If it is happening in other states, it will happen here unless it is fought early on.

- if the federal VMT is calculated by how many kWs are used to charge an EV, then this is a tax that closing a loophole/incentive/tax dodge that electric vehicles have that allows them to use the roads and not pay for them since they are not using any gasoline. It wouldn't affect any ICE owners, cost of collection would be low because it is collecting from a central point (the power utility), and net effect is the same as if an individual owned two ICE cars or one ICE and one EV. I think the overwhelming majority of people could get behind this.

How do you break down the electric bill? What part is to charge the vehicle and what part is to power the house? How do you tell if I have a EV at that location? Maybe I bought one for my summer home and use ICE at my regular home. How do you equate kW to a mileage? Tesla vs. Bolt vs. Leaf... they are all going to have different mileages. Even the same 2 cars operated by different drivers would have different mileage/kW usage. This would become a kW tax like a gas tax. It would not be a mileage tax. So between logistics and actual definition, I would say this is out.

- If the VMT is calculated by setting up federal tolls on federally sponsored highways, this is less ideal, costly, and stifles all sorts of other things like interstate commerce. I don't know that many would support this at all, but at least it would draw a direct connection between use of the road and paying for the upkeep.

Agreed and this also would not cover all the other roads and most likely just push vehicles onto secondary roads creating a new problem.

- If the VMT is calculated by taxing the individual owner, well the federal government would have to develop a mileage tracking system or leverage an existing state level one. It would affect ICE and EV owners alike and would be in effect a new tax. It would very costly, and it would double tax ICE owners. This is what a lot of conservatives/libertarians assume/fear, but also one of the lesser likely scenarios. I don't think many Americans would support this at all.

This would effect everyone equally (just like it appears to be proposed). It would also be a new tax (as it appears to be proposed). It would not be very costly at all. Quick, simple, easy method. When you register you vehicle, they check your odometer. Next year, you register and they check it again. Mileage x fee = Vehicle Mileage Tax. Can be verified online or in a physical location. Much like my recent COVID test, I get on a secure app, show my test (QR code) and my result. For this, show your VIN and show your odometer. All on the same live video with a phone jockey overseas.

Either way, the federal tax we are talking about ONLY goes to road and highway repair and maintenance since the highway trust funds can only be used for that. It's a direct tax on vehicles to pay for the roads they use. Only the most dipshit extremists think this is an unnecessary tax arrangement.

Mush like your fuel tax pays for more than roads, repair and maintenance, this would most likely be the same. The current fuel tax is used to help cover the cost of building and maintaining roads, bridges, and tunnels—as well as to help address traffic-related issues such as congestion and pollution. It gets very broad once you start adding these other terms and can easily be abused. (Like most government programs)

How will we be taxed? The article you posted talked about it at the state level, but how is vmt going to work at the federal level? I don't think anybody knows that at the moment. doesn't stop you from shouting at Biden that he's broken his promise, even when you don't know if the VMT is going to be collected from the vehicle owner. The federal government doesn't actually collect federal gas taxes from the customer - it's an excise tax on the manufacturer of gasoline per gallon, that gets passed through via price because that's how capitalism works. A vmt isn't like a fuel tax - and the federal gov isn't setup to collect from individuals in the same way, so how is it going to work? don't you think you want to know that?

 

I don't think this part was in question. The part in question was how The president of the US was responsible for state programs that the states enacted independently and have been working on since the last administration?

With a little additional research, you can see that in the Infrastructure Program, $50M has been included for a National Pilot program for a miles traveled fee. $75M is going to regional, state, and local agencies to test a miles traveled fee.

There is nothing you buy per mile that is not a variable vehicle to vehicle. It cannot be targeted at fuel, tires, etc. To be a true miles traveled fee, it is linked to your odometer. You would have to be tracked/reported and pay directly.

Going straight off that, this is a National program at a National level.

Yes that article begins by talking about 2 state programs. It ends with the national program.

My understanding is that, in Ohio at least, the health care employee vaccine mandates were all implemented by the hospitals themselves, which would fall under the libertarian-friendly "employers can set whatever rules they want" ideology.

Of the 6,090 hospitals in the United States, 5,141 of them are community AKA publicly or government funded.

I imagine any first responders required to be vaccinated would be under a municipal policy, which I would generally be uncomfortable with, but I'm not familiar enough with that industry to know if that's typical. Certainly cities would have a vested interested in ensuring EMS isn't putting their populations at risk. It's hard to keep track of all the various state and local policies.

Personal experience, the policy I have been under is put on your PPE and get to work. If we have under 3 symptoms, we still report (minus a positive test). Some locations are beginning to mandate the vax under a municipal policy.

I'm not comfortable with the intensity of the federal employee/contractor mandate. More information is supposed to come out this week but so far I'm not a fan. I don't know if I'd say I'm "appalled" as a libertarian, to use Mace's word, but this definitely goes too far. There are federal jobs that simply cannot be done in the private sector, and there are federal jobs that don't require human interaction.

Vaccinate AND attest on a document under penalty of perjury or testing has been in effect for awhile. They have a hard deadline of November 22nd for Federal Employees. There is question as to if that includes contractors. The EO that requires contractors is due to be submitted tomorrow, review and plan available and in place by 10/15 and effective 30 days after that.

I'm generally OK with vaccine mandates if there's a testing alternative, but I think that the federal government needs to continue to pick up the bill for testing if it's going to make that the only alternative. Again, I'm not sure if I'm appalled by the new OSHA rules here, but there's room for improvement.

Again, personal experience, we are currently allowed to use home test kits and can get them for free from a few places. This has been called "temporary". According to our insurance, they will only cover same day tests that are deemed "Medically Necessary". They will only cover the longer more accurate tests "With a Doctor's Note". Most of the free testing has a * and states with insurance or Medicare/Medicaid. Rapid tests near me are $50 insurance or not. PCR tests are $150-500 if not covered by insurance. We are required to test every 3 days. Employer requirement is not being accepted as "Medically Necessary". Currently, our employer is telling us to use insurance and not covering any costs (except time for non-exempt employees). No test fees or mileage.

And generally these are private entities making their own rules, although I can't keep track of every local ordinance so who knows. But to your last point, yes, at some point not being vaccinated will be a huge inconvenience. I generally don't have a problem with that as freedom to make choices doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of those choices.

We are at the point where these are coming from local ordinances. Just like they should be allowed to say only vaccinated people should be allowed to enter, they should be allowed to say anyone may enter.

I agree 100%. Trump should have started an aggressive mandatory testing program from day 1 like many Asian countries did, and that should have been carried on to this day, even for the vaccinated.

The problem I see here is that political parties aside, we are currently segregating and testing a portion of the population despite science telling us everyone is a viable carrier. If we are to follow the science, let's follow all of it. We do know for sure that everyone can carry it and we do know that testing is available and safe. We do not know that the tests are 100% accurate but, at least they don't physically harm people. We cannot say the same for the vaccine.

Its not mandatory for state employees

Currently 6 states have dates for vaccination or termination for healthcare workers. This includes workers employed by the state and private.

4 states have mandates that cover some or all of their employees and do not have a testing exemption.

Some states have also mandated all teachers (state or private employed).

So yes... it IS mandatory for state employees.

I'm not in favor of mandatory covid shots, and other than cruises there aren't any.

I guess TECHNICALLY it is not mandatory as you have the choice to leave your job/lose your livelihood. IMHO, being told get the shot or get fired is pretty mandatory. So first, hospitals started the get the jab or get a new job. Then it went to some first responders. Then it went to state employees. Then some private employees. Then it went to federal employees. Now it is federal contractors. It is also at the point of all private companies with 100+ workers must mandate employees to be vaccinated or weekly tested. Combine that with insurance companies beginning to only cover the test if it is "medically necessary". (Started to run into that this week with employer now requiring a negative test every 3 days. Insurance will only cover a PCR or Serum test with a doctor's note. They will only cover a Rapid Test when "medically necessary".)

Outside of that, the vaccine is mandatory for many recreational things. Certain restaurants, venues, etc. At some point, it is mandatory without being mandatory.

Back to the testing, if we are going to require unvaccinated individuals to be tested, why don't we test the vaccinated? They can carry it, spread it, get sick from it, even die from it. If you were truly trying to stop the spread, that would be the most effective method. Utah has actually started this at the school level but, I think if an employer is going to test, they should have to test everyone.

Holy Shit dude, do you not know the difference between federal and state governments? Like aren't you the separation of powers and smaller government guy?

I believe he is referencing the pay per mile tax that is in the infrastructure bill passed by the federal government and the statement of a federal official to not raise taxes. The state tax on hybrid/electric cars is a separate topic.

tl:dr - Federal President, no new taxes <$400k earners. Federal Government, new tax per mile driven.

Tax and spend republicans in Ohio cost me an extra $400 when I registered my plug-in hybrid this year.

Did you pay for 2 years? Everything I saw was $100 for hybrid and $200 for plug-in/electric.