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Now I don't know if there is any truth to this, but I heard at one point that hospitals were paid 37k per covid death. If that's true then I can see the incentive for peoples deaths to be marked as covid.
Medicaid pays an additional 20%. A general analysis of the payments determined that a "average" lump sum pneumonia case would result in about a $5,000 paymnet. If it was a COVID related case, it would be about $13,000. If they went on a ventilator, it was about $39,000. (Numbers are rough based on a Kaiser Family Foundation study)
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I guess you have to ask whether they fell due to lack of oxygen caused by COVID pneumonia and get ahold of the death certificate to see what it says.
FWIW, the day after my dad was diagnosed he got up in the middle of the night and went to the bathroom. He said he was feeling pretty bad and wanted to take an ibuprofen. Well, he passed out on the way and hit his head on the way down. Luckily my mom heard the fall in the middle of the night (she was staying in another room) and called the squad. He got 7 staples in his head.
So if he had died from the fall, what would be the cause of death? Bleeding to death while laying unconscious and/or completely disoriented? Blunt force trauma? In reality COVID would be listed as a contributing factor, since the fall was caused by a lack of oxygen due to COVID.
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I believe that would/should be listed as Blunt Force Trauma with underlying cause being able to be argued as COVID/Hypoxia. Cause of death is the final action, the straw that broke the camels back... the death blow. The causes listed are relatively immediate medical causes, but the ultimate cause of death might be described differently. For example, tobacco smoking often causes lung disease or cancer, and alcohol use disorder can cause liver failure or a motor vehicle accident.
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Well, my idiot anti-vax sister that I mentioned a few pages ago got her whole family infected with covid and now my idiot unvaccinated brother in law is in the ER.
Anyone want to guess his BMI?
Wanna guess where my last 2 positive exposures came from? Hint: Wasn't someone "just asking questions".
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This reads like a Tucker Carlson transcript.
He's always just asking questions (often times that already have answers) for the sole purpose of casting doubt.
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If the answers are already known, please point me in the direction. i honestly want to know.
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I hate the false equivalency the Right is trying to make about vaccines and Nazi Germany. This is nowhere close. We have all been forced to vaccinate ourselves and our children for school and travel for many, many years. George Washington was responsible for the first vaccine mandate in the US, changing his mind after he saw how badly it would affect his army. Do not belittle the experiences of the Holocaust by equating it to an anti vaxxer 'struggle.'
We have been asked to vaccinate, we have not been mandated. We have also never been made to carry a passport to prove any medical status to enter a restaurant, purchase tickets, etc. We have not had businesses face legal repercussions for employing people that do not comply. Nazi Germany did not occur overnight. The party started in 1920. The war started in 1939. 19 years they grew before they became a problem that needed dealt with. First Jews just needed to identify themselves. Then it was adding markers to their papers. Then It was carrying papers. Then it was wearing arm bands and sewing stars on their clothing. Do I think that the vaccine hesitant (we aren't anti) are being forced into train cars to be sent off to camps? No. Do I think this is a dangerous slope? Yes. There has already been talk have the need to have the vaccinated easily identified with a mark on their clothing. There are places you have to prove it with a passport. There are places only allowed to be entered by those people. Their are financial penalties for not complying. There are rewards for turning in your peers. Do you think that in 1925, 1930, that most of Germany understood where they were headed? What freedoms are okay to lose? What mandates are okay? If it is so good, why are some people exempt?
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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Anyway, good exchange with minimal name calling.
Agreed. Am I missing a "like" button or is that not an option on this forum?
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Many are not, but you sure are. Right? Isn't that exactly what you're doing by talking about Israel, talking about misattributed COVID deaths, etc?
eta: You and half the people in this thread, that is. Vaccines aren't as effective as they say, masks aren't as effective as they say, COVID isn't as deadly as they say, only the overweight and unhealthy have to worry... these are common refrains right here. Post after post trying to cast doubt on the science.
Not cast doubt. Ask questions, ask for transparency, ask for time and answers. These are all showing examples of how our knowledge is changing with time and asking what more we will learn with time. First it was 2 weeks and masks will fix it. Then it was a 90% effective vaccine. Now it is a 60% effective vaccine that causes some side effects. What will we know after a full study? What will we know after peer reviews? What will we know after reviewing data and cleaning up numbers that were compiled in a panicked frenzy?
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This was posted in the Nurse Reddit Sub yesterday. Ill just copy and paste for ease of reading. I feel sad and aggravated all at the same time that sooo many people dont have ANY compassion for whats happening.
He died in the goddam waiting room.
We were double capacity with 7 schedule holes today. Guy comes in and tells registration that he’s having chest pain. There’s no triage nurse because we’re grossly understaffed. He takes a seat in the waiting room and died. One of the PAs walked out crying saying she was going to quit. This is all going down while I’m bouncing between my pneumo from a stabbing in one room, my 60/40 retroperitneal hemorrhage on pressors with no ICU beds in another, my symptomatic COVID+ in another, and two more that were basically ignored. This has to stop.
So the solution is to fire those that work in the field and are asking for more information? I'm sure firing people will help the staffing issue. Take the vaccine, let it reduce or prevent your symptoms, and let other people make their choices. They highly suggest the hepatitis vaccine but, all we have to do is sign a no thank you paper. Same with many others, and we can still work in the first responder or medical field. We can even carry diseases (HIV, Hepatitis, etc.) and still be in the field. You can try and call off because you are sick and still be mandated in, carrying that flu that causes pneumonia in Grandma Betty. COVID is treated differently than anything else and that is where people get upset. Let us choose what we do with our body, our business, our life. When does the vaccine passport become a yellow arm band? There is only one side trying to force anyone to do anything. The other side just wants education and options.
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I agree, but what's the alternative? Refuse the vaccine, don't wear a mask, and just say fuck it?
Or ask for more research, wear a mask when appropriate, social distance, wash hands frequently, etc.
I for sure don't think the answer is shut down the small places, allow major places to stay open, create mandates for the average Joe and not follow them as a lawmaker (Pelosi in a hair salon, congress fleeing a vote on a plane not wearing a mask, Obama hosting a massive birthday party, Biden mandating a vaccine that doesn't apply to congress or their staffers). At that point, it is not safety, stacking, dampening the curve, or anything but putting on a show.
Like I said, many are not trying to cast doubt and I don't know anyone wishing death or disease on vaxxers or even people trying to ban the vaccine. I do see a lot of people wanting transparency, complete studies, all the same stuff that was being asked for at the end of 2020 by the same people that are now trying to force it down our throats as the only option.
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Sucks you lost your dad in situations like this.
Isn't Humira an immune suppressant? I know Humira is used for Crohns as well. The medication I take for Crohns makes me a lot more susceptible to other infections and diseases.
Im trying to tread lightly here but just because the time frame fits doesn't mean the drug caused your dads cancer right?
It is an immune suppressant. It has about 10 common uses. It does make you more susceptible to infections and diseases.
Humira has since been labeled as having a side effect of causing cancer. They mention abdominal pains in the right side specifically and needing to be checked.
Studies have shown a 3-5x increase in likelihood of developing cancer.
There is nothing conclusive enough to say yes in a court of law, this was the cause. However, the type he had is the kind they warn about. Most cases that have been linked are after under 10 months of use. it was enough that we were contacted by lawyers. It was also enough that when they moved to Parma to go to the Cleveland Clinic that is what the doctors pointed to. Combined with a PCP that did not pay attention to warning signs and complaints, it was to far advanced for much to be done.
The overall point, this is just one drug and one case. 27 drugs approved by the FDA after extensive testing have been pulled from the market since 2000 in the US alone. That does not include drugs with side effects still on the market (like Humira). Pfizer alone has received 40 fines in that time period for drug safety violations, false claims, kickbacks/bribery, consumer protection violation, etc. including the largest in history of $3.2B. This is the company we are supposed to trust on a product that has not completed testing? A company that has $5.6B in net profits for Q2 2021? Spends $13.2M a year in lobbying? A company with billions of dollars in preorders for their vaccine because it was the first approved? Their is a definite financial incentive to rush this process, cover up problems, and falsify data as they have in the past. I will wait for more real world long term data.
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https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/
There are tons of numbers from tons of sites. There is where the 80.1% came from.
I agree risk stacking works. Again flip side of the coin. A non-mask wearer who frequently washes their hands, isn't constantly touching their face, etc. against Karen yelling at you about your mask while she half wears her unwashed fabric peace mask while touching everything in site. There are extremes on both sides. I think there is a time and place for everything. Do i think there should be 100k screaming maskless fans in a stadium? No. Do I think it is a big deal to walk down an empty aisle in my local gas station to grab a candy bar? Also, no.
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I really don't understand how this is a talking point. Like, vaccines are not a silver bullet, and obviously with the new variants they're not even a bronze bullet. They help. Masks also appear to help, including surgical masks. N95 masks help even more. They're all part of the puzzle.
It goes along with the false sense of security. People think they have a mask that they are protected and they don't need to social distance, not go to that event, etc. When in reality, it may provide a sliver of protection, when used properly. Properly includes covering your nose, using in a sterile environment, discarding after every contact, etc. Meanwhile, most people wear the same mask all day or multiple days, touching it constantly, over only
their mouth, etc. That is where the false sense of security comes in and people spread it.
Simple test to do. Put your mask of choice on and go near a smoking area or someone that has recently smoked. Smoke is 1 micron in size. COVID is 0.05 microns. If you can smell it, it is passing through the barrier. In addition, COVID will attach to smoke particles allowing them to travel up to 20 ft further and to hang in the air for hours. As you smell that smoker passing your cubicle, your table, your workstation, etc it is exposing you. Things like N95, N100, HEPA filters are what is needed. Not the see through mask with novelty designs that everyone is pushing or even the Chinese surgical mask at every store entrance.
Do you know WHY you were being asked to do that? It sounds like a budgeting issue -- track how many incidents/expenses your unit has that you wouldn't have absent the pandemic. In which case, what you're describing isn't unreasonable, although IMHO that's not the best way to do it. I'm not a budget director, though. I'm curious if you know more about it. Of course, this isn't really related to whether or not COVID deaths are over or undercounted.We do not get reimbursed from the state on any level. Budget is determined on a local level. Some places it is income tax, some sales tax, some property tax, etc. It all depends on how that area sets up it's laws and budget. They did not base CARES Act money based on number of calls run, free PPE based on calls run, no Hazard pay, nothing financially gained.
https://www.com.ohio.gov/documents/COVID-19NFIRSRelease.pdf
I'm not suggesting you've misrepresented anything here, but this quote has been taken out of context all over the place. It's worth considering that even a mild case of COVID could have made an otherwise survivable heart attack a deadly one. I've discussed in one of these earlier threads how all the internet lawyers think about death certificates all wrong so I won't rehash it all here.I agree but as always there are 2 sides to the coin. The guy with stage 4 cancer with 30 days to live may have only made it 20 days because of COVID. But logic tells you he did not die OF COVID. Had he not had stage 4 cancer, he may have survived. Just like without COVID, the Heart Attack may be survivable. At the end of the day, the cancer was the cause. Not the fact the heart stopped beating, the lungs stopped working, or the COVID.
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Not directly but your comments lead me to that assumption, at least the way I read it. If Im wrong then.. my bad.
I am curious to learn more about asymptomatic carriers though. I dont think there is a lot of info out there on it. I think though typically those that are asymptomatic typically turn symptomatic. That's what sucks about covid, spreading it when you are unaware. Iirc masks, etc work way better for cold and flu because when you can spread it and when you become symptomatic are tied pretty closely.
In general with vaccines, it does not cure the problem, it cures the symptoms and makes you an asymptomatic carrier. It reduces viral load to a manageable level. Then those people can carry it to people who are unvaccinated or whose vaccine did not take well or who may have decreasing antibodies. There are many cases of resurgence when a vaccinated individual carries a sickness to an area that does not experience that sickness or does not vaccinate for that and all of a sudden you have a outbreak.
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Going for a triple...
For the comments that Isreal has the highest % vaccinated yet has a massive outbreak...that's only if you count the % of the population that is eligible for the vaccine.
Remember when I wrote a few posts ago that population vaccination percentages aren't evenly distributed across age groups and demographics? Well, Isreal has a very young population, and over 25% of their population is ineligible for the shot.
Secondly, they got vaccinated very quickly, and 90% of those vaccinated received their 2nd dose over 5 months ago. Does this point to waning immunity? Some people want to say that's why we need a booster, based off antibodies present in blood tests (some even say it's not surprising that we would need one because typically we all would have gotten our 2nd shot a lot longer after the first, but we chose speed over efficacy). Other studies say not so fast, antibodies always wane over time, but are looking at bone marrow to understand whether there's some memory and our immune system will mount a response regardless. Don't take this as scientists flip flopping on issues either. Recommendations are made based on data, data is gathered through studies that take time, and those studies can be run in different ways, and results must be peer reviewed. Science is hard.
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Israel has administered 14,511,866 doses. That is enough for 80.1% of the population to receive 2 shots. Not 80.1% of the eligible population but, the total population.
To look at your exact words "Recommendations are made based on data, data is gathered through studies that take time, and those studies can be run in different ways, and results must be peer reviewed." That is all many of us are asking for is time. We want people to have the freedom to do as they choose. We want to see the data from studies. We want to see them run different ways. We want them to be peer reviewed. Sadly, those wants make us the devil incarnate and means that we are wishing death on our fellow humans and that we think this all a hoax. In reality, I just don't want to be the subject of the next commercial asking "Did you take the vaccine in 2020? Are you experiencing _____? Call Lawyer XYZ now!" After watching my Dad take FDA approved Humira for psoriasis and then have to fight for months to get a doctor to take his complaints serious only to find out he had developed cancer. The drug was FDA approved in 2002. Dad started taking it in August 2010. Diagnosed January of 2011. Dead February of 2012. I and many others just want long term data before we do something irreversible.
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The hospitals likely see some potential liability for having an unvaccinated staff member infecting the people they care for. If your business revolves around serving people who are immuno compromised or vulnerable to infection, I believe you do have a responsibility to get vaccinated.
Being a First Responder, we have not mandated it at the initial unsterile environment level. We generally only have absent people from government enforced quarantines after exposure. We are rarely seeing infections. Again, if the masks work, why the vaccine and if the vaccine works why the mask. In addition, the masks they/we are mostly wearing? Surgical masks that state "not for COVID". Only time we go above that is a known COVID case when we use what everyone should wear if they truly wanted them to work N-95 or higher. While pedaling this agenda to the public, we are being told if you have 2 or less symptoms come to work, it's okay.
I wouldn't say that extra 20% is "lining the pockets" of the hospitals. When treating COVID patients they go through a lot more PPE than they used to, and costs of PPE as well as O2 hasn't remained stagnant. I would like more evidence that hospitals are making massive profits from this then an anecdote.It's funny you should mention PPE, have you seen the CARES Act money being thrown around? The free PPE? The lack of Hazard pay? Our rural Fire Department was given $400k for CARES Act money. Literally a full 1 year budget. We primarily run fire/rescue. We only do medical for things like lift assist, uncon/unres. That is a small fire department covering 3 rural townships, 2 villages, 75 sq mi. Multiply that across the US. Now add on to that the many boxes of free PPE we are still getting delivered directly to us, delivered locally to the EMA and allowed to go get for free.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/04/01/hospital-systems-cares-act-bailout/
You're insinuating here (whether on purpose or not) that COVID was falsely listed as a cause of death for a large number of people and for frivolous reasons, but an emergency response report is not a death certificate. Again, there are not hundreds of thousands of people that died from some random accident that got counted as a COVID death. The evidence points the other way; that COVID deaths are severely undercounted.I'm stating (not insinuating) that we were instructed to mark incidents as COVID related when COVID had nothing to do with it. To compare it to the Excess Deaths topic, these would be Excess Incidents. They were Incidents that occurred as a result of the shutdown, as a result of our reaction to the Pandemic not because of the Pandemic itself.
There are not large numbers of people being counted as a COVID death when they were killed by some other random event, like a car accident, or a piano falling from the sky.But this is where people try to cast doubt at the numbers of dead. Let's say you get COVID and you end up in the hospital. Your condition deteriorates and you need oxygen due to COVID pneumonia, eventually get intubated. Your blood pressure is also fluctuating and now you're on meds to try to stabilize this. Your kidney function decreases and you require dialysis. Then you get sepsis, or a number of many other complications that typically result. Organs start shutting down, blood pressure is harder to maintain. They stop the blood pressure meds and you die. What killed you? Was it sepsis? Renal failure? Heart failure? Etc? None of these would have happened if not for the COVID infection. COVID is one of several things listed on the death certificate, but without the COVID infection none of the rest would have happened.
However, people on the internet will try to tell you that it should only be counted as a COVID death if COVID is the ONLY thing listed on the death certificate, and equate sepsis/kidney failure/etc with someone who was in a car accident while COVID positive and claim COVID didn't kill you.
There are many people who were in Hospice, who had terminal conditions, who were after a predictable death tested for COVID and then listed as a COVID death. As the officials stated, "Dying with COVID is the same as dying from COVID". Last April, Deborah Birx, MD, coordinator of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, said this when asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” They were stating things like a Hear Attack were caused by COVID and the original cause was COVID. Fast forward to this year when they begin discussing the first "breakthrough" deaths of vaccinated individuals. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky stated "Not all of those 223 cases who had COVID actually died of COVID," she said. "They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack." All through this Pandemic people with cancer, and other illnesses that had predictions of even 30 days or less to live were marked as COVID deaths UNTIL it went against the vaccine agenda and talking points.
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You really think the virus is spread more from the vaccinated people in public than the unvaccinated?
Please highlight where I stated that. I said that they "probably contribute to the majority of the false sense of security that results in transmission". False sense of security is not the only way it is transmitted. Personal belief is asymptomatic carriers are probably the #1 transmission method.
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How many of those were due to COVID and how many were just listed as COVID when they were already dying of something else and may or may not have contracted it? Genuinely curious. Seeking learning and understanding.
While I cannot give you hard numbers on this, I can tell you my experience as a First Responder. In early 2020 we received direction from the State Fire Marshal and the Ohio Board of EMS. If we responded to a house fire, and it was determined that you had left a pot of food on the stove and forgot about it because you got tied up in a ZOOM meeting, we were supposed to ask if you normally worked from home. If you were home because of the shutdown, that was a "COVID Incident". If you were driving to the grocery store and got in a car accident during hours you normally would have been at work, that is a "COVID Incident". Cut your hand making your kids lunch who normally would have ate at school? "COVID Incident." Just like there are press conferences where it was specifically stated "Dying with COVID is the same as dying from COVID". When I started seeing things like this is when I really started getting hesitant and wanting more information.
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Ah, yes, the argument that "only vaccinated people get sick." I'm seeing this all over my community Facebook comments, and they either ignore the hospitalization statistics or claim they're being falsified.
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I did not say "only vaccinated people get sick". I did say that vaccinated people still get sick, still transmit and probably contribute to the majority of the false sense of security that results in transmission. The same thing happened when masks got popular. The "I have a mask/vaccine so I am okay and can do what I want" thought process.
People think they are "protected" and then engage in "unsafe" behaviors. Oh I can go on this cruise because only vaccinated people are going. Cruise ship on quarantine because of massive outbreak. I can ride this plane from Texas to DC without masks and post group photos. OOPS! We all got COVID.
I think there is a large group of vaccine hesitant that choose to isolate because they know the risk but aren't convinced to take the vaccine. So they stay home and social distance, wash hands often, take general precautions, etc. Just like I think their is a large group of vaccinated that run around partying and then put their mask on (that specifically states not for COVID or has zero medical purpose) when people are watching.
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As said many times before, just looking at survival also doesn't account for all the long term effects many survivors have (a larger group than the 2% that die).
And looking at just COVID deaths doesn't account for the effects of the Pandemic. There were 1.5M excess deaths so far. 900,000 attributed to COVID. 600,000 other excess deaths. Those include people not getting vaccines because it was termed "elective" (over 17 million children worldwide missed vaccinations during "social distancing") and elective procedures were being denied, suicide/mental health, alcoholism, etc. Not to mention economic effects because of having to shut down "Joe's Diner" meanwhile we can still go to Big Box stores or cram 100K screaming fans into a sporting event.
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At this point if you are a healthcare worker and you aren't vaccinated I would consider that a form of malpractice and it's probably good those individuals aren't further exercising their poor judgement on treating patients.
On the flip side of the coin, the Hippocratic oath states "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug."
We have doctor's refusing care to anyone who won't get the vaccine. Do we do that for anti-vaxxers in general or just COVID? What about Hepatitis A/B? Flu? Any other communicable disease?
Does it stop there or now do doctors get to choose which lifestyle choices will prevent a patient from being treated? Overweight? Smoking? Sexuality?
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The hospital has beds but not enough staff to operate all of them. (Many left to travel to areas with even higher covid cases offering $8k week)
Two major things to look at here.
1)Pay for the employees. I promise the investors and board aren't hurting for money. Maybe pay the people that keep you afloat and they will stay.
2)You have a shortage of staff. (at my aunt's hospital they are currently at 10% understaffing) So your solution is to fire people for not getting the vaccine. (currently 33% of the staff at her hospital are on the list for termination for refusal to vaccinate) So now you are even more understaffed.
In other words, there are beds, there is equipment, you just don't have staff because of employment choices and pay scales. Drug companies are showing billions of dollars of quarterly profits. The government has a $100B fund that they are using to pay 20% extra for all people labeled COVID that are on medicare. Add in all the money for testing paid by the government. Hospitals should have more money to pay staff (which is proven when they pay travel nurses). If they quit lining their pockets, hospitals wouldn't be so "full".
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"Mainly because this opinion is widely held by scientists in the field with many more years of research and expertise than myself as a 5 year student."
https://www.mdlinx.com/article/10-dangerous-drugs-recalled-by-the-fda/lfc-4008
One of many articles with drugs that were deemed okay and were widely held as acceptable treatments by researchers, scientists and doctors. One on this list was on the market for 35 years after FDA approval. Cocaine was once an accepted treatment. Pervitin was given to soldiers for alertness... Meth. Things change over time and a year of research is not enough for me to be comfortable taking this medicine.
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75 percent of American adults have had at least one shot but go ahead and be special snowflakes. Just don't expect me to give a shit when you or your loved ones end up drawing the short straw.
78% of eligible Israelis are vaccinated. They also have one of the highest daily infection rates worldwide despite one of the highest vaccination rates.
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Has there not been enough "time" to research the vaccines, or has there been such an abundance of resources poured into that research process (given the global need) that it's been executed faster than typical?
Current Testing on the approved vaccine is not completed with results due until July 30,2023. So, NO, there has not been enough time. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584
Due May 2, 2023 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
There are 94 current studies... there are 9 completed studies. For comparison, there are 8 that are suspended, terminated, or withdrawn.
Post-COVID fun car for sub-$6k?
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+1 on all these ideas. Another option on the s-series would be a Typhoon clone.
My brother has an AMC Rambler with a built 360 in it. Parts swap between Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth/Jeep/AMC for many generations. Also leaves you open to crazy off the wall ideas like AMC Eagle AWD with turbo diesel, AMC or GM motor options, etc.