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You're trolling now right?

You are completely missing my point. I'll try and be more clear. 1. Banning guns won't stop violence. 2. Guns are a tool that while can be used for evil, also can be and are used for "good". Just like cars and dogs can be dangerous, they also have very positive uses. 3. My point about the orlando killer being able to use a muzzle loader had nothing to do wth the gun and everything to do with the actions and mentality of his victims. The point I was trying to make was that you can fight back even if they have a gun. You have to be responsible for yourself. So with that, no I can't defend my home as well with a muzzleloader. If I am in a fight for my life I want the best chances for survival. I want the best tools available. I'll use what I have, but given the choice I want the best option available. I agree with you that not everyone should be able to buy a gun, or a car, or have children... But I don't have the right to tell anyone else how to live their life. That is one of the dangers of living in a free society. There are risks. I personally prefer those know risks to the lie of someone telling me they can make me safe (they can't) if I just give up all my rights. Again typed from my phone in a hurry apologize for spelling/grammar #fuckautocorrect

The emotional statement wasn't necessarily directed at you. Just an a general observation I made. Also an interesting figure (which I admit I didn't fact check) i searched on a whim. "Each year, more than 350,000 dog bite victims are seen in emergency rooms, and approximately 850,000 victims receive medical attention. Data that the CDC collected in the USA between 2001 and 2003 indicated there were 4.5 million dog bite victims per year, but that figure appears to be rising." Kind of crazy.

Your viewpoint seems to structured around the idea that the United States will continue to exist as it does today, for all time. Why does the average citizen need access to these types of weapons? Because it is the best tool available to them for use in self defense. Let's say something like the Ferguson riots break out, or the LA riots, or whatever. An angry mob wants to come in and rape your daughter, or hell even you. Would you rather have a rifle with a 30 round mag, or a shotgun with 5 rounds. Tim already touched on this, but you are so concerned with the potential of a tool being misused that you fail to see that that some tool has the potential to save lives. While there are not really an accurate count on how many times a gun is used to stop violent crime in the United States, I have seen figures as low as 65,000 up to 2 million (which I don't personally believe). For arguments sake lets go even more on the conservative side, let's say 20k uses, or hell 10k uses. That is even more conservative than the lowest estimates I have seen anywhere, and that would still be more than the number of murders via gun. I'll phrase this another way. I was bitten by a dog once. So now all dogs scare me because all dogs have teeth and have the potential to hurt me. Dogs don't server any particular purpose in my life, so we should kill all dogs. Pretty stupid right? Funny side note. My girlfriend was debating with one of her high school friends on FB about this topic and he said "I don't really care about your facts, they aren't going to change how I feel about this". For those on the pro gun side, that is a fairly prevalent viewpoint from what I have seen. It's pretty useless to debate this it seems (and yet here I am LOL) when people can't put emotional content aside and use logic.

Id rather be involved in a mass shooting rather than what happened at the Boston marathon. At least then I could have a fighting chance. As I said though neither are very statistically likely.

I'm at work so I don't have time for a lengthy reply, but did you listen to the victim accounts? They all crushed together into a bathroom stall. They didn't bar the door. When the gunman came in he shot through the door. They begin pleading for their lives. He laughed and stick the Glock over the top and started firing down inside. No one attempted to stop him. In this case, he could have used a single shot muzzle loader and killed 50 people in 2 hours because they did NOTHING to try and stop him. Posted from my phone so I'm not going back and editing all then grammar/spelling I already see.

Not so stupid if you dispute that just by placing a gun in your hands, you don't automatically become a crazed killer. I'm also amazed that when this type of event occurs we immediately make it about guns. I even asked a person here on CR what was more important, that they were killed or if they were killed with guns. He said that they were killed, so I asked him whats the best way to stop the violence, and he said "restrict guns". *Mind Blown* What is the problem we are trying to solve? Are we trying to stop violence, or specifically gun violence? If gun violence, then we do we immediately go after a specific subset of rifles? Especially when rifles as a whole accounts for so few deaths per year... let alone that gun related murders are also extremely low when compared to other causes of death? If our goal is to safe lives, then I would argue we could safe a lot more lives by focusing our resources elsewhere. Concerning your desire to keep the guns out of the hands of bad people. I've got some bad news for you. You can't. If someone wants something, and they want it bad enough, they will get it. If for some odd reason they cannot get a firearm, and they want to still kill, they will do it. End of story. Now for some good news. Violent crime has been on a steady decline for decades now. Your odds of being a victim are extremely low. Your odds of being killed by an "assault rifle" are astronomically low. As it has been stated already in this thread. The media strikes up the fear because it generates interest/clicks which equals money for them, or if you wish the left is pushing their agenda to help them push gun control for more sinister reasons. Either way it's bullshit. From reading/listening to the after action reports of the victims, many just went and hid in bathroom stalls, and made no attempt to fight back. With a 2 hour police response time, he had all the time in the world with whatever tool he had on hand. Which comes to my next point. If you ever find find yourself in this situation, and you can't get out. Do NOT put yourself at the mercy of someone like this. They cannot be reasoned with, and have no empathy for your situation. The was 100 + people vs one guy. The casualties could have been much less if ONE person would have broken the "victim trance" and attacked. Hell I read that people crouched in the hallway of the back exit until one of the bouncers jumped over them and got them moving out the door.... You are responsible for yourself. No one is going to do it for you. But again as I said before, the odds of this happening are low...very very low. -H

So if I put a gun in your hand you would lose all morality and immediately start killing people? Good to know.

I'm still at a loss why we feel the need to differentiate gun violence vs violence. Would it make you feel better to be stabbed to death. Your last though as you bleed out "at least he didn't use an evil gun on me, that would have made me feel horrible"

Thanks for saying Hi BTW

I took this class and it was great, but being right there when everything happened I can tell you that shit does you know good unless you can keep it up to date. I had forgotten a lot of what I was taught especially for something like a chest wound. I disagree with your initial evaluation. It felt like it took forever to get someone to step up and start working on the guy. I ended up just grabbing supplies as people asked for them after they started working. I'm looking into updating my training as well.

Thank you

Edit your autoexec.bat to load different drivers.

I normally look out the window.

For some reason I thought you typed Tacoma and not Tundra...thought I was going insane.

What's your last name/what division do you run?

You sure that's an 06?

One parked down the road from me.

Don't argue with me.

Call Derek.

Fuck his wife.

Not sure if serious or trolling.....

I've posted this before but the simple tactics this guy talks about will greatly increase your survivability should you find yourself in this type of situation.

your poor parents. You'll be living there until they die.

Thanks for the invite. #unfriend