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Once again, you are an idiot. Clear enough on my stance? Cover your own shit and do not expect me to pick up your slack. -Marc

Darwinism. Sorry to be a dick...but that's really not my problem. If you don't want to help yourself, I do not want nor should I be forced, to help you. -Marc

to this post, and your PM. You act like your singular perspective has ruined my day/life. Let me be clear: I have met you and spent time with you in real life. My opinion that you are an idiot has been validated with those meetings as well as your internet persona. Our personal interaction has been limited to car meets, or dealings with mutual relations involved with IPS employees. I will always be polite in public settings especially those focused around individuals not involved in other issues/conversations. With that said, I do try to avoid one on one conversations and interactions with those I dislike. You are, and will continue to be, one of those people. I am debating you now because your opinion may impact someone else’s (I honestly cannot imagine you influencing someone…but I suppose it is a possibility). If you convince people that are on the fence that the ACA is ok, then you have personally hurt me (and my wallet). I truly do not care that you are self educated (no shock there) as an IT guy or tuner. I would never let you tune my car, or work on my PC. Leave it at that as it is not related to this conversation. I believe your perspective to be wrong. Just as you believe mine to be. The issue is that I am not ok with more of my money being collected and spent against my will for people that choose to not work as hard or take care of their own person/families. It bothers me that you are ok with it and write it off as "well it's only $20...who cares?" The problem is that it is only $20 now, and going unchecked will just continue to snowball. When will the cost be enough for you to care? When it's an extra $100 per paycheck? $200? When will enough be enough for you? Don't forget this argument when your taxes go up and your take home goes down. No, I truly believe that people will take advantage of the ACA. ‘People’ being insurance companies raising premiums as well as shitty people abusing the ACA. Rest assured I 100% feel it will be taken advantage of. No, I do not believe the ACA will benefit the majority of the US population. It may cover more people now, but will still not be affordable to all and will end up costing the population and government significant money. And when subsidies 'make' it affordable, it will be paid for by people like you and I. I am not ok with that. The people that do use it that couldn't before will only bring additional costs to the whole. It’s a pretty simple concept; adding more people with more pre-existing conditions and the ability to get sick/hurt to a health plan that they do not pay for will raise the cost for those that do pay for it. Look at the numerous examples of leaches provided by Kirk and Austin. These people care more about poisoning themselves with what they eat and put in their bodies than they do about their health. Now they will feel that they can do even more harm to themselves and care even less because they have health care. Spend some time with these people, you will begin to understand. This is not ok. We just gave millions of people just like the examples above the green light to jump on the wagon and corrupt the system. What happens when the bills come out from the additional procedures to the people on subsidies and they cannot afford them (the medical bills/co-pays not covered under ‘wellness’, etc)? They will let them go unpaid and will eventually be covered by the rest of our premiums and cost of health care. This has been proven historically. Look no further than the examples already provided by Kirk and Austin. This is not ok. It disgusts me that you are ok with it. No, I do not think it is the .gov's responsibility to provide health care for me or for anyone else. It is not a right to have health care...just as it is not a right to have a free home, phone, car, etc. These are privileges that should be earned. Disagree? Move to a communist country so big brother can support you. I 100% support someone like Ben (Crash). He doesn’t report a lot of income, and was raised right and will not be a leach. Should he need medical care he will go to the hospital and receive care. He will get a bill, and will pay it off monthly, until it is paid in full. It will be cheaper for him to do this and pay the fine than to buy health insurance offered by the ACA. Why aren’t more people like him? If you disagree with the current ACA, then why support it so much? You support it so much because Obama wants you to. You are a sheep, and it is about time for slaughter. -Marc

Are our TAX dollars being used to cover auto insurance subsidies? No. Completely different argument. Idiot. No, I purposefully left out the comma to stress the tone of the message. Also, the word you were looking for is subsidize. You of all people should never try to correct someone else’s grammar. Know why? Wait for it… … … because you are an idiot. Road's closed pizza boy; go home. (they do suck...shut up.) So you are ok with your insurance premium increase of only 11% next year...and are ok with your taxes increasing to cover the ACA? I would assume Chase has a similar clause in their insurance that protects them from a significant, 1 year increase. Can't wait to see what it does next year. Even if it 'only' increases 11%, that would mean a 22% increase in two years. Did you receive an 11% increase in pay for next year? If not, will you see a 22% increase the following year to offset the premium? I would be shocked unless you received a huge promotion. With that said, you are stating you are 100% ok with earning significantly less money to pay for others. You shouldn’t be, and that is part of the problem. Once again, you are stupid and your ignorance shines through. What do you think is one of the main reasons your insurance increased this year? Obvious answer is that it increased to cover the 'free' wellness checks that are now included in your insurance which are required by law. Insurance companies are not stupid; they will get their piece of the pie one way or another. How many people that will now qualify for insurance will actually take advantage of the 'free' wellness exams and preventative care? If and when these people do not use it, your argument is completely lost. I hope that 100% of the population does but in reality, it will be a very small percentage. You voted for it, and you 100% support it. You are part of the reason that Tilley is considering downsizing/cutting benefits for his employees. Sleep well tonight, asshole. -Marc

THAT WE WILL ALSO PAY FOR YOU FUCKING IDIOT. -Marc

What a great article. Wonder how Thorne will say it's all lies... -Marc

Don't worry; the .gov will offer subsidies paid for by the rest of America to cover it. -Marc

God damnit you are dumb. All you are doing is regurgitating all of the liberal media propaganda you are reading. Please re-read this thread and pay close attention to the posts by Kirk and Austin; their input, seeing as they WORK IN HOSPITALS, should be better information than what you are getting from your sources. They are posting facts, and memo's from their hospitals. What other proof do you want? -Marc

Cheaper than firewood at the gas station I suppose. -Marc

You're an idiot. I need a 'Thorne Filter' to decipher your posts. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=1258 21% of our tax money already goes towards public healthcare...and it is only projected to increase. AWESOME. -Marc

You stop posting your Republican rhetoric. GO DIAF!!!! -Marc

I'm cheap. And, I hate the Blues so I would have to burn the hat if it was wrong. -Marc

Was waiting to see you post. -Marc

*Please post result so we can make educated purchases. :thumbup: -Marc *100% serious

I know. I want to order it but am worried if I do, it won't be for the jackets -Marc

My insurance is now more expensive and will continue to get more expensive. For me and my family, the ACA is NOT helpful. Why let it continue now, cost 100's of millions/billions of dollars to simply fail at the end and prove a point? That is stupid. Stop it NOW before it bleeds the country dry. How is the ACA going to save us money and provide better care?? Just by allowing people who were previously uninsurable to now 'pay' into the system and get 'guaranteed' money we are NOT increasing our revenue. Who is paying for the subsidies to make the insurance 'affordable' to the poor? Who is going to pay for the 1000's of new federal employees to (mis)manage the system? Who is actually guaranteeing the increased revenue to cover the additional costs? WE ARE by paying higher taxes, penalties, and higher health insurance costs. Once again, please, pretty fucking please, explain to me how this is a good thing for me? I am all about charity...when it is on MY terms. I work hard for what I have and I do not feel obligated to pay for people who choose not to do the same. Here Bill, let’s give you a new example. Let’s make it so the ACA will be funded by donations. The ACA will ONLY cover what they can pay cash for with the donations they received. How far do you think it will get if we are not REQUIRED to fund it? How much of your check are you willing to contribute? -Marc

The Steelers have the oldest offense and defense in the league. It's time they make a move for some young players and get them up to speed. They just can't put together a well played game; lots of hope in some quarters only to be let down the rest of the time. Looking at game comparisons, they have been in every game and should have won multiple simply based on the statistics (total rushing, T.O.P, etc)...the only stat they lost was the important one; the final fucking score! I'm beyond upset...I am a born and raised Steeler fan and always will be but this is just hard to watch. I truly don't know how you Cinci and Cleveland fans have done it for all these years! I personally think Todd Haley is a HUGE issue and will continue to be. He and Ben never really got along and I think it shows when they play. Oh, that and we have no run game. In my life time, the Steelers have never been this bad (the last time they were 0-4 was 1968; the year before they hired Chuck Noll). And I am not enjoying it! -Marc

This was going to be my suggestion but 23N to Polaris is awful due to 315 being closed at Powell Rd. Text in bold pretty much sums it up. Good luck! -Marc

You actually might be one of the worst members CR has ever had. Ever. Everytime I log in I wish Anthony would allow me to pay him to ban you. For real. Nope; once Kirk has 4 total hours into a patient he quits and leaves them to die. He is an evil, Republican MD earning in the top 1% by robbing all of us poor slobs. He should be better. -Marc

Great. Before our next election I will give you a spelling and grammar test. When you fail, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. One less idiot voting. -Marc

Like I said, scary as shit. If I am in the hospital, I EXPECT to be seen and cared for by a live, well trained individual. That's what I am paying for. This telemedicine may save costs to the hospital but will not lower the cost to the patient. I do not see the benefit to the consumer. I do agree that having a monitoring system like that to HELP the flesh and blood RN/NP/DR is a great thing but DO NOT think it should replace them! -Marc

The revolt begins... -Marc

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My girlfriend is a RN at OSU on the GI/Infectious Disease floor and has 100000 stories like this. Repeat patients, same shit, and to boot they are rude, nasty, and do not listen to the RN or DR. My Mom was an ER RN for 20+ years and had even worse stories. I honestly don't know how you guys do it. You're a better man than me. I couldn't handle that kind of person day in and day out. You should work in hospital administration. See what you can get done This is a very scary prospect. Right here in Ohio there is a team of doctors developing software where they will be in one remote location and be able to 'see' 5 times the patients by diagnosing through telecommunication. I'm talking high end cameras and TV's in the patients room and having a nurse and NP with the patient. Talk about trying to streamline the process. Is this something you would be comfortable with?? This doesn't really bother me at all. Look at it like buying a car; will you get a better deal stroking a check or financing it? You have had a lot of surgeries etc in the past 2 years so you should be very well versed in reading your EOB and medical billing (as you have pointed out in this thread). It makes complete sense to me that a DR would have a cash price be less than the insurance price as cash, once paid, is completely paid. There is no dicking around with the insurance company just hoping that they will agree to pay the bill. Having had 4 different insurance companies in the past 4 years I have found that certain companies will pay more or less for a procedure than other companies. That means that a DR is guaranteed more or less money from each individual insurance company as that is the only money they are guaranteed. If you get a bill for $x after insurance covered $y and don't have the money, it appears an overwhelming number of Americans will say 'fuck it' and not pay. Who gets screwed here? The DR and their company. So, by lowering the cash price to cover exactly what they need but guarantee their money seems like a pretty savvy business model to me. This is again why I am considering dropping my major medical and simply paying cash. Good. Bust your ass because there are thousands sucking on the .gov tit that rely on your tax dollars! In all seriousness, I never blame a DR for the price. As you have pointed out, it really isn't your job to determine the cost; it is your job to perform exceptional work and fix what ails me. No, I don't know how to fix the problem other than stop helping those that refuse to help themselves and let Darwinism take over. -Marc

I learned all about this stuff in highschool... -Marc