i started with verizon last year with a lg 8300 loved it wore all the numbers off the pad broke the case speakers quit but the phone kept on working. ( i am VERY rough and use the hell out of my phones) bought a razor as a temp phone hated it within 2 hours of activating it. found another lg 8300 and had it activated and am in love again. motorola phones suck, 8 years of nextel motorola crap and nothing has changed motorola phones still sucks big monkey nuts. go with a lg phone you will love them