gillbot

Another double

CR’s drunk again

Nobody's forcing you guys to read this thread, you know.

Nobody is forcing you to argue with someone who’s mind you aren’t going to change either. Just sayin.

Two wings, one bird, and this this thread is just a shot glass sample full of the shit show bottle of bourbon that politicians and media have long been pouring us all in this country. Just a small sample but it's telling. Had several replies typed out but it's not going to "change" anyone's opinions and neither is anything else in this entire thread. Too much ego and self indulgence from both sides to have a productive conversation. This is like reading an argument amongst middle or high schoolers.

 

Y'all keep fighting here. I'll keep posting fart noises. They're literally accomplishing the same thing.

 

...although posting fart noises prob isn't creating as much division as y'all or the media are.

 

Shame on us all, the citizens, for not only allowing division but actively assisting in and promoting it. Both here and elsewhere.

 

Now I'm only here for Gill's old fashioned.

 

*fart noises*

:masturboy::masturboy::masturboy:

Don’t berate middle or high schoolers, I believe they are smarter and more productive than this thread or politicians.

At least your farts are more entertaining than the arguments here. :gabe:

he doesnt pay me

 

frankly if i help him fix it without ya'lls input, you've failed

Sounds like he may be better off going solo?

I don't know what's more tiring and played out, Trump vs. Biden or you two.......

Well, here we go again.

I'll restate:

You two should have a beer and hand out hundos to CR for this thread.

and no i'm not giving you an old fashioned.

Yuuuuuppppppppp

except at election time..how do the same bozos get re-elected cycle after cycle??

China ballots? :gabe:

Too soon?

I’m not justifying anything and what they did was wrong, but trying to spin a web of innocence is bullshit. I don’t support either side and trying to claim either side didn’t do this or that is laughable. Also trying to justify what your side does because other did it too is just as bad.

Some believe what the left is doing is justified, others believe what the right is doing is justified. I think all yuns are crazy.

Lifetime political families are an embarrassment.

FTFY

How cheap do you want the v6 and 4cyl cars to be? some of them are more than $10K cheaper than their base v8. The step that's too large is into a base v8. It's awesome that the base v8 camaro is 455hp, but it's maybe too much and had to insure. Maybe a baby v8 camaro that is 385hp (with a bottom end built to take an aftermarket turbo). I don't really care that the S550 v6 mustang makes more hp than any v8 Sn197 mustang GT, I'm not buying one.

They need to be cheap enough to pull these “kids” in so they get into cars like was discussed before. Get them into the car, then get them to upgrade to the v8. I agree the step to a v8 is bad as well, but one hurdle at a time.

As for ev’s, Low 30k for a leaf is tater. You can’t tell me the ev drivetrain adds 20k to the cost. Most of those econobox ev’s are 10k for the gas variant. If you want people to adopt ev technology, it has to be available. As I said, don’t keep the prices out of reach then legislate laws forcing people into an ev. They are cramming taxes, fees and emission regulations but penalizing people who currently want to adopt an ev.

GM isn't as interested in moving volume/market share as much as they are in pure profit right now. I wish it were different, I personally think new cars are way too expensive, but that's what they are focused on right now.

 

I'm sure all these new electric vehicles will be affordable, too. /s

My wife and I were discussing this yesterday. We'd have an electric car already if it weren't for them being tater priced. On top of that, much of the tax credits are disappearing or getting harder to get. Then add that to the fact that our local area adds an extra tax onto your registration because you don't buy gas. No wonder people won't buy in to the electric car hype.

To me it's total BS. They jack up the price of certain things until the average person can't afford it, then when they don't take off they mandate them.

Huge profits are the normal concentrating point for most companies any more. They don't care about value or longevity, it's just squeezing every penny out of each person they can. It's no surprise to me that older used cars are skyrocketing in price and have huge demand.

That's why they play engine sounds through the radio now

Why is the challenger/charger v6 a joke but the camaro isn't? The camaro has a 4cyl too! They are all a stone's throw within each other, including the 5.7L v8!

SXT is rated at 292HP

GT is rated at 300

R/T is rated at 370HP

2.0L Turbo 4-cylinder engine

275 hp @ 5600 rpm

295 lb-ft of torque @ 3000-4500 rpm

Variable Valve Timing and Spark Ignition Direct Injection

 

3.6L V6 engine

335 hp @ 6800 rpm

284 lb-ft of torque @ 5300 rpm

Variable Valve Timing and Direct Injection

I am not sure I follow this logic. The Challenger R/T is the cheapest way to get into a manual, RWD, V8, pony car coupe out there. Sticker price is $35K but as you told me yourself there are tons of incentives to get the costs down and to be honest most base R/Ts seem to be trading hands at around $28K-$32K. Plus dealers seem to actual stock base no frills R/Ts (to help with those $300 a month lease deals) - to me that seems like a bargain.

 

The Mustang GT, on paper, is $37K base price but I don't see many incentives to bring that price down. The Camaro SS base price is $39K and I can't find a single one in a dealers inventory that is under $42K, and few incentives.

 

I agree the challenger is a pig weight wise. It's also the most usable car.

 

I am not sure the camaro is "overpriced" so much as for 2020 it was missing a "base V8". The cheapest SS is still $4K more than the challenger and more than the mustang. I guess that is why for 2021 Chevy rolled out the LT1 which is a $35K v8 stripper model. To me that sounds like the right play - the base SS was competing with the base 392 challengers and not the R/T and they didn't have an R/T priced v8 car.

Those were my personal opinions, but I'll expand.

The 5.7L Charger/Challenger is a joke and shouldn't even be an option. 392 or GFTO, the 5.7 is useless in that pig of a car. Once you step into the 392, the only real one that's semi-affordable is the Scat Pack but to get it budget you have to strip all the options out. Good luck finding one at dealers for the entry price point, which they tout but it's nearly unattainable. Sure you can order one, but then you typically lose out on the incentives that are in place to get people buying them. Trust me I tried, most incentives are only available if you take delivery from dealer stock and they will likely never order base 392 cars.

Camaro is a similar story to the above. They try to sell it as affordable but they option up the trims so heavily that it's hard to get a decent performing V8 without all the excessive sticker bloat. Don't even say V6 because that's a huge LOL.

As for the mustang, I'll reiterate. MUSTANG LOL (If you couldn't tell by now, i'm not a mustang fan.)