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Point me to another car with the hype train of that one to compare it to then. Its also a fair comparison because its been a thing: comparing the S to the Hellcat. Just ask Jonny

Well, reads like this show you the difference between a tried and tested car company, one that we may not give it its due, and an upstart like say Tesla. Not bagging on Tesla, but by way of comparison you have the blogosphere and fanboy darling, the S, which can't complete a single lap of the Nurburgring under full power (and still hasn't) - and in the other corner you have what some deride as a dinosaur of a car, the Hellcat, that's built and ready to do 20plus laps and/or 100 back to back quarter mile runs without failure or performance degradation. Again, not bagging on Tesla, but that there is the difference between a startup and a veteran. One expects you to wet yourself over it and wipe it down daily with a soft cloth diaper, the other expects you to beat the ever loving shit out of it.

I love reading stuff like this. How products like this get greenlit and make their way past all the stage gates of a ginormous corporation prior to being born. After all, any company could make a Veyron class car if they so choose, from Chevy to Audi to Kia. Engineering wise it's all well within their capability. How a company chooses to bring one to market is often the deciding factor, and whether, you know, they plan to make money at it.... Anyhoo, I found this an interesting read: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/04/review-dodge-challenger-hellcat-just-the-right-car-for-attila-the-hun/

Yeah, not getting where that meme was coming from, then I saw Jalopnik and it all made sense. Jalopnik has turned into the Apple Watch Blogosphere of car sites. Although I have to admit this one made me laugh:

When's the next one? Had to be in Lima for friend's birthday

First wash of the 2016 warm season Still need to do a good wax. Brake dust already rivaling the CTS-V dusting champion status. https://goo.gl/photos/Y7mPQ4ZUx5NG6T1U6

Turned off flaming gay ban filter on google photos folder. Should be able to see now. If not... well... It definitely could have been worse

Before pics. I suppose, being three days later now, and after DentMagic patched me up, I suppose not too bad, but to me that evening crawling around on the garage floor cursing myself and trying to straighten out the skirt and buff out the dent (it punctured on the driver side) it looked worse than pointy elbows on a CR wife. Glaring deformity. Dug these off wife's phone. Turns out I never snapped a shot myself. This was after about an hour of trying to "fix" it myself. Again big thanks to Dent Magic. And today post patch - in direct sun at another angle took pic at lunch: (I can live with this for a good while)

I had the ramps chocked with 2x4s that I've used for years. This time it decided to jump. Story has happy ending. Went to Dent Magic to quote out full fix. $800 for a like new fix so not too bad but beyond my budget this month. Stacy there suggested a touch up to get me by for now. Took her up on the offer. 1/2 day later she calls back and says it's done. Also, no charge, since she says she couldn't get it to her satisfaction. My jaw dropped. Went to pick it up expecting it to be unchanged or possibly even worse. The attached pic is the result. I couldn't be more happy. Wow. Although I can see it, to a bystander you'd probably not notice. I will definitely be throwing more business their way.completely unexpected. Didn't know businesses like that still existed. Dent Magic on Sawmill. Cant recommend them high enough. Earned a lifetime customer. I'll be taking it in for the full fix eventually. I'll try to dig up the "before" pics when I get home. Posting from kids tai kwon do on phone.

Thing is, it's all because I was a dumbass. Got a good hydraulic jack and set of quality stands too, but somehow I got it in my head I needed to go the ramp route this time. Sometimes you just want to bang your head against the wall for being a moron.

Fuck me. Hit 500miles. Time to do first oil change. Get all the stuffs. Get a nice cup of coffee. Get ready for a nice relaxing oil change in mild 50 degree weather, great way to pass the Sunday. Warm up the engine. Set ramps. ...Ramps I've used on a bazillion cars since the dawn of time. Ramps that have never once given me issue.... Get in car. Drive up. Dad guiding. Car starts up ...ramps slide. Car drops. Front chopped and mangled. Fuck me. Just. Fuck. Me. Haven't even made my first payment on it. So yeah. This weekend sucked.

Thanks. I kept getting into conversations (with myself) as I optioned and priced out new GT350s and ZL1s that "well if its that price I'm in Vette territory..." Eventually I said: "Well hell, why don't I just get the Vette". Now to find a nice supplier of pinkie rings and gold chain necklaces.

The 3 isn't made for car guys. Its made maybe for car guy's spouses. Its a car for people who don't care about cars. And that's ok. But I absolutely would compare a Tesla to a Bolt or a Volt. Brush aside the Apple-like hype reality-distortion bubble, and the one-tricky-pony-dig-race-trick and they're just ok cars with ...questionable... features. For a car guy. As a few posters' above have pointed out, the interior quality is nothing to write home about. There's an S across from me in our cul-de-sac. Been in that car many times. Drove it several times. Its nice, but at best I'd rate its interior on par with my wife's Saab 93 (which cost 1/3 its price). At best. Don't get me wrong - I'm not bagging on the cars, or the company. I wish the company major success. The world needs the transition. But what I *am* is allergic to is hype. The Hype makes me sick about Apple, makes me sick about Tesla.

Arrived yesterday FINALLY: Step one - stripped that dumbass Dealer Sticker off there. And now this is how I park, plenty of room... nothing touching. Thank god for laser garage parking aids. First drive - hauling the kid to ATA class I'm going to have to enlist some of you experts on how to actually take a photo. Also: where can I score me some Camaro-grade disco neons?

....or $50,000 instead http://seekingalpha.com/article/3963032-tesla-announces-35000-car-shows-50000-car Read the bit on the Superchargers. No surprise to me. So begins the reeling in of free perks. As is necessary for them to be a real automaker. But I chuckled at some people's expectations at my office around Tesla giving out free energy for hundreds of thousands of people.

I get what you're saying: I typically own cars for 2-5 years (but my last one, the V, I owned for 12 due to family). That's not the point though, since every new car that gets owned by one person for 5 years THEN gets owned by the next person for another 5-10, and THEN by another person for x years, and so on. That can't happen with Tesla's. The batteries have a shelf life. And batteries, unlike ICEs, can't be reinvigorated, though they can be replaced. Although cost to fully replace an engine is still way lower than a battery swap. Additionally, I REALLY dislike the concept of doing away with the binnacle and incorporating everything in one surface tablet. Talk about single point of failure, that thing goes out (and they will go out) and you are toast. You can't drive the start, start the car, diagnose the car, charge the car, you likely won't even be able to open the doors to the car. Also, the whole thing they said about de-emphasizing the driver. I really don't like that. I like to drive. I want to be the most important seat in my car. Not a passenger in a taxi. This car is for people that don't like to drive. Stuff like this makes me say to myself: wait it out. Tesla doesn't have the experience of providing cars to people who need to use them to do everyday life. A $100k car buyer has options for when the car fails that $30k car buyers do not. Tesla's total customer experience consists of a demographic of rich-ish early adopters and believers. Most of which shows up in the fanboyism you see in the blogosphere. There's some rationalizing and irrationality you see around them that's very Apple user like. Once people start getting these cars that NEED them to work in order to get to work and so forth, THEN we'll start to see the real deal. It'll take a bit. Just like the S started out all wonderful praises and roses, then a year or so later gets pulled completely from the Consumer Reports recommended list. In that regard I can't help but feel that the big players, GM et al, have a leg up with their Bolt. They're used to servicing the WHOLE customer base. Not just fanboys who are accustomed to sucking their dick. I'm interested and will stay tuned.

Autodriving is a non feature for me. I don't want it, will never pay for it. Love what Tesla is doing driving the market to nonpolluting transportation, but its not a product that appeals to me yet. Its far too "Apple" and besides, I just got done laying down a payment for a nice fast polluting codpiece of a car. In 5-10 years when the battery technology has matured, and these cars have more than a one-trick-pony (dig race to 100) performance profile and the design gets over the "less is more" bullshit, I'll look again. Unfortunately, non of these early adopter cars will be Hand-me-downs to kids or the really poor. The batteries won't last 10years, tops, with any appreciable range still on them. No amount of clever coding can overcome chemistry and physics. And expect the "free battery replacement for life" thing to go away soon, if it hasn't already. It certainly won't be an option for a high production low price commodity.

I like what the company is doing. The car? Meh. ...its ok looking. Much like the S, it looks like a Buick more than anything. But maybe its just me, on the 3, they really needed to do something, anything, with the front end.

Just venting. Buying Pre-Owned. Dealer isn't in Ohio. If they didn't have the exact car with options I wanted at a good price I'd tell them to pound sand. Will give more details when I close deal or walk away.

Online purchasing: easy, convenient, respectful Dealerships: 2mins into a phone call the bullshit begins Lets list some of the gems that occurred in less than a 10 minute conversation: -An insecure website is not secure - but used car dealer tries to convince me it is (25yrs in IT btw) -Transfer call from guy-without-answers to weasel-deal-closer-still-without-answers -Tries to convince me that the word "and" that appears in the listing on 3 separate sites including their own site, the letters a-n-d, in their listing, is in fact a comma, and that the option its referencing is not what I'm saying it is (despite this being exactly what it is on the manufacturers website) And these guys wonder why nobody likes them. That is all.

Oh I totally agree with this. Is the main reason I've jumped from pricing GT350s and Camaros over to looking at Corvettes. Because F paying $70k for a GT350 or Camaro of any model. Now its being honest about what I REALLY need. Do I *really* need that Magnetic suspension, Z51 package or Z06 in my DD? As I'm learning, aside from the benefit of upfront pricing, if I plan to mod it in the future, then starting from the non-eLSD and non-Z51 package car is the more cost effective option, as well as having the most ceiling for improvement tankiness for abuse. Heated/cooled seats though... yeah gotta have those. I'm getting older

Speaking as someone who's been pricing Z06's for a bit, you ain't finding a c7 for anywhere near $70k that ain't trashed. I wish.

Sooo many choices effing up my new car purchase jones. And I had just settled on a Z51 LT2-3 Stingray. ^%*$^%

pricepoint guesses?

Good info, thx. Also big thanks for the Conti callout - already been on phone with these folks, very helpful. +1